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Quickbooks Chart of Accounts - Arbitrary Numbering? Robert G. Hoover 04-17-2008
Posted by Robert G. Hoover on April 17, 2008, 12:53 pm
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Are the label Numbers for each account arbitrary in the Chart of
Accounts? For example, QB provides these by default...

15000 - Furniture and Equipment
17000 - Accumulated Depreciation
24000 - Payroll Liabilities
25500 - Sales Tax Payable
30000 - Opening Balance Equity
...
47900 - Sales
...
51100 - Freight and Shipping Costs
...
66000 - Payroll Expenses
...
68100 - Telephone Expenses
68400 - Travel Expenses
68600 - Utilities
80000 - Ask My Accountant
90000 - Estimates

Is this a known CPA labeling/numbering convention? Or are these numbers
completely arbitrary?

Thanks!

Rob

Posted by Paul Thomas, CPA on April 17, 2008, 2:28 pm
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> Are the label Numbers for each account arbitrary in the Chart of Accounts?
> For example, QB provides these by default...
>
> 15000 - Furniture and Equipment
> 17000 - Accumulated Depreciation
> 24000 - Payroll Liabilities
> 25500 - Sales Tax Payable
> 30000 - Opening Balance Equity
> ...
> 47900 - Sales
> ...
> 51100 - Freight and Shipping Costs
> ...
> 66000 - Payroll Expenses
> ...
> 68100 - Telephone Expenses
> 68400 - Travel Expenses
> 68600 - Utilities
> 80000 - Ask My Accountant
> 90000 - Estimates
>
> Is this a known CPA labeling/numbering convention? Or are these numbers
> completely arbitrary?





They're not completely arbitrary, but there isn't anything that requires
them to be used.

Older software required them to assign accounts to the report writer
software. Quickbooks doesn't need account numbers, but then would sort
accounts by type and then by alpha. So if you wanted to sort your liquid
assets by what is most liquid, in an account number system account 100 would
be Cash on Hand, 110 would be Bank of America......

Under the Alpha sort, Bank of America would be listed first, followed by
Cash on Hand.


In a numeric account system, accounts are generally sorted as follows:

100 = Cash and other liquid assets, accounts receivable, fixed assets, long
term assets, etc.
200 = accounts payable, current notes and loans payable, long term notes and
loans payable, etc
300 = equity type accounts, stock, retained earnings, etc.
400 = sales and operating revenues, etc
500 = cost of goods.
600, 700, 800 = operating costs.
900 = other revenues and expenses


Most decent chart of accounts can be held together by as little as three
numbers, you might want four or more if you want more detail:

710 = Telephone
711 = Local Service
712 = Long Distance
713 = 800 Service
714 = Cell phones
715 = ..............

And you can see how messy it can get if you want to, or need to, get too
detailed.



Some accounting systems also allow for sub-numbers for projects, cost
centers, jobs, locations, departments, etc.



710.1 is the main office
710.3 is the lake office
710.5 is the mountain job
710.7 is the shipping department.


What ever you decide to use, be sure you plan in advance how far you will
need to carry out the numbers, if you'll be adding accounts in the future,
etc.





--
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia



Posted by ~^ beancounter ~^ on April 17, 2008, 6:26 pm
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don't use numbers, just names...it is easier and eliminates
one more thing to keep track of...






On Apr 17, 12:28=A0pm, "Paul Thomas, CPA"
>
>
>
>
>
> > Are the label Numbers for each account arbitrary in the Chart of Account=
s?
> > For example, QB provides these by default...
>
> > 15000 - Furniture and Equipment
> > 17000 - Accumulated Depreciation
> > 24000 - Payroll Liabilities
> > 25500 - Sales Tax Payable
> > 30000 - Opening Balance Equity
> > ...
> > 47900 - Sales
> > ...
> > 51100 - Freight and Shipping Costs
> > ...
> > 66000 - Payroll Expenses
> > ...
> > 68100 - Telephone Expenses
> > 68400 - Travel Expenses
> > 68600 - Utilities
> > 80000 - Ask My Accountant
> > 90000 - Estimates
>
> > Is this a known CPA labeling/numbering convention? Or are these numbers
> > completely arbitrary?
>
> They're not completely arbitrary, but there isn't anything that requires
> them to be used.
>
> Older software required them to assign accounts to the report writer
> software. =A0Quickbooks doesn't need account numbers, but then would sort
> accounts by type and then by alpha. =A0So if you wanted to sort your liqui=
d
> assets by what is most liquid, in an account number system account 100 wou=
ld
> be Cash on Hand, 110 would be Bank of America......
>
> Under the Alpha sort, Bank of America would be listed first, followed by
> Cash on Hand.
>
> In a numeric account system, accounts are generally sorted as follows:
>
> 100 =3D Cash and other liquid assets, accounts receivable, fixed assets, l=
ong
> term assets, etc.
> 200 =3D accounts payable, current notes and loans payable, long term notes=
and
> loans payable, etc
> 300 =3D equity type accounts, stock, retained earnings, etc.
> 400 =3D sales and operating revenues, etc
> 500 =3D cost of goods.
> 600, 700, 800 =3D operating costs.
> 900 =3D other revenues and expenses
>
> Most decent chart of accounts can be held together by as little as three
> numbers, you might want four or more if you want more detail:
>
> 710 =3D Telephone
> 711 =3D Local Service
> 712 =3D Long Distance
> 713 =3D 800 Service
> 714 =3D Cell phones
> 715 =3D ..............
>
> And you can see how messy it can get if you want to, or need to, get too
> detailed.
>
> Some accounting systems also allow for sub-numbers for projects, cost
> centers, jobs, locations, departments, etc.
>
> 710.1 is the main office
> 710.3 is the lake office
> 710.5 is the mountain job
> 710.7 is the shipping department.
>
> What ever you decide to use, be sure you plan in advance how far you will
> need to carry out the numbers, if you'll be adding accounts in the future,=

> etc.
>
> --
> Paul A. Thomas, CPA
> Athens, Georgia- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Posted by Robert G. Hoover on April 23, 2008, 4:15 pm
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Thanks Paul for the info. So it sounds like it's arbitrary, but
generally good to be familiar for the CPA. I'm into whatever is going to
save our guy time. If most people are following this type of numbering
scheme, I'll not deviate. :)

Rob


Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
>
> They're not completely arbitrary, but there isn't anything that requires
> them to be used.
>
> Older software required them to assign accounts to the report writer
> software. Quickbooks doesn't need account numbers, but then would sort
> accounts by type and then by alpha. So if you wanted to sort your liquid
> assets by what is most liquid, in an account number system account 100 would
> be Cash on Hand, 110 would be Bank of America......
>
> Under the Alpha sort, Bank of America would be listed first, followed by
> Cash on Hand.
>
>
> In a numeric account system, accounts are generally sorted as follows:
>
> 100 = Cash and other liquid assets, accounts receivable, fixed assets, long
> term assets, etc.
> 200 = accounts payable, current notes and loans payable, long term notes and
> loans payable, etc
> 300 = equity type accounts, stock, retained earnings, etc.
> 400 = sales and operating revenues, etc
> 500 = cost of goods.
> 600, 700, 800 = operating costs.
> 900 = other revenues and expenses
>
>
> Most decent chart of accounts can be held together by as little as three
> numbers, you might want four or more if you want more detail:
>
> 710 = Telephone
> 711 = Local Service
> 712 = Long Distance
> 713 = 800 Service
> 714 = Cell phones
> 715 = ..............
>
> And you can see how messy it can get if you want to, or need to, get too
> detailed.
>
>
>
> Some accounting systems also allow for sub-numbers for projects, cost
> centers, jobs, locations, departments, etc.
>
>
>
> 710.1 is the main office
> 710.3 is the lake office
> 710.5 is the mountain job
> 710.7 is the shipping department.
>
>
> What ever you decide to use, be sure you plan in advance how far you will
> need to carry out the numbers, if you'll be adding accounts in the future,
> etc.
>
>
>
>
>

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