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Posted by lo on December 20, 2007, 12:17 pm
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On October of this year, a friend of mine and I accepted to run a small
advertisement magazine that publishes every 4 weeks (13 times per year). The
type of service we provide doesn't require us to collect sales tax. We have
around 7 vendors to pay, and about 40 clients, most of them are repeat
clients. (No employees) We pay the owner of the magazine a set price per
page.

We created an S Corporation, two shareholders total and we both own an equal
number of shares. We were told that QUICKBOOKS was the best choice for us to
organize our business, create invoices, etc. We got QUICKBOOKS PREMIER
EDITION and entered the company information in the program.

Our cycle is as follows: every 4th week we accept the ads from our clients,
present them with a graphic proof of the ads, do corrections and bill them
at the same time. We get their payment before everything goes for printing.
About 13 days later, the magazine is out for distribution. During these 13
days, we pay all the vendors involved.

We have few questions about the subject:

1-) To distribute the income between us, every 4 weeks we withdraw some
money. On the chart of accounts, we created one account called Owner's Draws
(type: Equity) that we use for this purpose. Is this the correct way to
collect the "profit"? We always make sure that we leave in every draw,
enough money in the bank account that what we begin with to make sure we can
cover ourselves in case of unexpected expenses. At the end of
the year, will that additional money be shown as profit as well?

2-) We incurred in expenses to open and run the corporation, here are some
example of expenses:
Fees for in Corporation
Professional fees for help forming the corporation.
P.O.Box rental.
Basic office supplies.
Order of checks and stamp.
Telephone line.
Software, etc.
Can we get reimbursement for these expenses from the corporation, and if
yes, show those specific expenses but the check made to us personally? Under
what accounts that would be classified?


3-)As far as I understand, from the second year on of existence of the
corporation, either my partner or I have to be an employee of the
corporation, is this correct? Do we need an employee?

4-)Of the initial money we use to open the bank account, now that there is
additional monies in the account, can we withdraw the initial money back to
us and if yes under what account would that be classified?

5-) In an accounting book that we bought, it says that from the very
beginning we have to decide if we are going to run the business in an
accrual or cash basis, but searching Quick Books, it seems that you can do
either, it is just matter of setting the reports one way or another, is that
correct?

6-) We use 3 people to distribute the books, we pay them as independents
under a distribution account (Type: expense) but my partner and I do few
distribution stops as well (only about $150 each, every 4 weeks) how do we
pay ourselves for that activity?

7-) We pay to the owner of the magazine every 4 weeks, a set price per page,
I created an account for it called "Page rent, John Smith" (Type: Expense)
Is this correct?

Thank you in advance for your replies.

Lo



Posted by Paul Thomas, CPA on December 20, 2007, 2:37 pm
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> On October of this year, a friend of mine and I accepted to run a small
> advertisement magazine that publishes every 4 weeks (13 times per year).
> The
> type of service we provide doesn't require us to collect sales tax. We
> have
> around 7 vendors to pay, and about 40 clients, most of them are repeat
> clients. (No employees) We pay the owner of the magazine a set price per
> page.
>
> We created an S Corporation, two shareholders total and we both own an
> equal
> number of shares. We were told that QUICKBOOKS was the best choice for us
> to
> organize our business, create invoices, etc. We got QUICKBOOKS PREMIER
> EDITION and entered the company information in the program.
>
> Our cycle is as follows: every 4th week we accept the ads from our
> clients,
> present them with a graphic proof of the ads, do corrections and bill them
> at the same time. We get their payment before everything goes for
> printing.
> About 13 days later, the magazine is out for distribution. During these 13
> days, we pay all the vendors involved.
>
> We have few questions about the subject:
>
> 1-) To distribute the income between us, every 4 weeks we withdraw some
> money. On the chart of accounts, we created one account called Owner's
> Draws
> (type: Equity) that we use for this purpose. Is this the correct way to
> collect the "profit"?


Yes, but. Some of what you take from the company needs to be in the form of
wages paid for your personal services. So if you're not doing so, set
yourselves up as employees and take something out as wages, handling the
appropriate amount of tax withholding, etc.




> We always make sure that we leave in every draw,
> enough money in the bank account that what we begin with to make sure we
> can
> cover ourselves in case of unexpected expenses. At the end of
> the year, will that additional money be shown as profit as well?


You'll be taxed on the profits, regardless of if the amount of cash taken
was less.





> 2-) We incurred in expenses to open and run the corporation, here are some
> example of expenses:
> Fees for in Corporation
> Professional fees for help forming the corporation.



Capitalize as an asset called "organization costs" and amortize over 180
months, although there is an election to fully expense them in this year.





> P.O.Box rental.
> Basic office supplies.
> Order of checks and stamp.
> Telephone line.


Deductible expenses this year.



> Software, etc.


Software is another asset that gets capitalized and depreciated over three
years, althoug it too can be expensed out quicker (section 179 applies) if
you so elect.




> Can we get reimbursement for these expenses from the corporation, and if
> yes, show those specific expenses but the check made to us personally?
> Under
> what accounts that would be classified?



See above for the classification, and yes, the company can curt you a check
for the expenses you incured - except - you need to have some "basis" for
the shares you each hold.




> 3-)As far as I understand, from the second year on of existence of the
> corporation, either my partner or I have to be an employee of the
> corporation, is this correct? Do we need an employee?



Yeah, you may need to be an employee for the first year too.

What might happen if you weren't employees, is the IRS (or state) would
reclassify you as an employee, make a demand for unpaid payroll taxes,
penalties for late payment, penalties for late filing of payroll returns,
etc and so on till you're broke.





> 4-)Of the initial money we use to open the bank account, now that there is
> additional monies in the account, can we withdraw the initial money back
> to
> us and if yes under what account would that be classified?


You need to remember that you have to have some basis for the stock you
bought. When you buy shares of a company - from the company as you did, the
money goews to the company, and you get a piece of paper that says you're
part owner. If you get that money back, who is the owner?



> 5-) In an accounting book that we bought, it says that from the very
> beginning we have to decide if we are going to run the business in an
> accrual or cash basis, but searching Quick Books, it seems that you can do
> either, it is just matter of setting the reports one way or another, is
> that
> correct?



For report printing in QB, yes, you can flip between the two. How you use
the software has more impact than the report selection. You could select
"accrual" and do all yoru accounting entries on the cash basis (ie:" not use
the payables or receivables functions) and get reports under both basis that
are identical. Also, cash and accrual have an impact on taxes and other
issues outside of the books.





> 6-) We use 3 people to distribute the books, we pay them as independents
> under a distribution account (Type: expense) but my partner and I do few
> distribution stops as well (only about $150 each, every 4 weeks) how do we
> pay ourselves for that activity?


As employees. The other workers might be employees as well. Look into that
and see if you need to treat them accordingly.






> 7-) We pay to the owner of the magazine every 4 weeks, a set price per
> page,
> I created an account for it called "Page rent, John Smith" (Type:
> Expense)
> Is this correct?


What you are paying the "owner" could vary accordingly. A stroll through
the contract would reveal what it is you are paying, and if it should be
capitalized (and maybe depreciated) or currently deducted.



You need to find a local CPA or EA who can best advise you of the issues
above, after they've seen the books, records, contracts, etc, as they can do
a face-to-face with you and ask a lot of questions to determine where things
lie and how best to handle them.









--
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia















Posted by John on December 21, 2007, 10:57 am
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wrote:
>
>
>
> > On October of this year, a friend of mine and I accepted to run a small
> > advertisement magazine that publishes every 4 weeks (13 times per year).
> > The
> > type of service we provide doesn't require us to collect sales tax. We
> > have
> > around 7 vendors to pay, and about 40 clients, most of them are repeat
> > clients. (No employees) We pay the owner of the magazine a set price per
> > page.
>
> > We created an S Corporation, two shareholders total and we both own an
> > equal
> > number of shares. We were told that QUICKBOOKS was the best choice for us
> > to
> > organize our business, create invoices, etc. We got QUICKBOOKS PREMIER
> > EDITION and entered the company information in the program.
>
> > Our cycle is as follows: every 4th week we accept the ads from our
> > clients,
> > present them with a graphic proof of the ads, do corrections and bill them
> > at the same time. We get their payment before everything goes for
> > printing.
> > About 13 days later, the magazine is out for distribution. During these 13
> > days, we pay all the vendors involved.
>
> > We have few questions about the subject:
>
> > 1-) To distribute the income between us, every 4 weeks we withdraw some
> > money. On the chart of accounts, we created one account called Owner's
> > Draws
> > (type: Equity) that we use for this purpose. Is this the correct way to
> > collect the "profit"?
>
> Yes, but. Some of what you take from the company needs to be in the form of
> wages paid for your personal services. So if you're not doing so, set
> yourselves up as employees and take something out as wages, handling the
> appropriate amount of tax withholding, etc.
>
> > We always make sure that we leave in every draw,
> > enough money in the bank account that what we begin with to make sure we
> > can
> > cover ourselves in case of unexpected expenses. At the end of
> > the year, will that additional money be shown as profit as well?
>
> You'll be taxed on the profits, regardless of if the amount of cash taken
> was less.
>
> > 2-) We incurred in expenses to open and run the corporation, here are some
> > example of expenses:
> > Fees for in Corporation
> > Professional fees for help forming the corporation.
>
> Capitalize as an asset called "organization costs" and amortize over 180
> months, although there is an election to fully expense them in this year.
>
> > P.O.Box rental.
> > Basic office supplies.
> > Order of checks and stamp.
> > Telephone line.
>
> Deductible expenses this year.
>
> > Software, etc.
>
> Software is another asset that gets capitalized and depreciated over three
> years, althoug it too can be expensed out quicker (section 179 applies) if
> you so elect.
>
> > Can we get reimbursement for these expenses from the corporation, and if
> > yes, show those specific expenses but the check made to us personally?
> > Under
> > what accounts that would be classified?
>
> See above for the classification, and yes, the company can curt you a check
> for the expenses you incured - except - you need to have some "basis" for
> the shares you each hold.
>
> > 3-)As far as I understand, from the second year on of existence of the
> > corporation, either my partner or I have to be an employee of the
> > corporation, is this correct? Do we need an employee?
>
> Yeah, you may need to be an employee for the first year too.
>
> What might happen if you weren't employees, is the IRS (or state) would
> reclassify you as an employee, make a demand for unpaid payroll taxes,
> penalties for late payment, penalties for late filing of payroll returns,
> etc and so on till you're broke.
>
> > 4-)Of the initial money we use to open the bank account, now that there is
> > additional monies in the account, can we withdraw the initial money back
> > to
> > us and if yes under what account would that be classified?
>
> You need to remember that you have to have some basis for the stock you
> bought. When you buy shares of a company - from the company as you did, the
> money goews to the company, and you get a piece of paper that says you're
> part owner. If you get that money back, who is the owner?
>
> > 5-) In an accounting book that we bought, it says that from the very
> > beginning we have to decide if we are going to run the business in an
> > accrual or cash basis, but searching Quick Books, it seems that you can do
> > either, it is just matter of setting the reports one way or another, is
> > that
> > correct?
>
> For report printing in QB, yes, you can flip between the two. How you use
> the software has more impact than the report selection. You could select
> "accrual" and do all yoru accounting entries on the cash basis (ie:" not use
> the payables or receivables functions) and get reports under both basis that
> are identical. Also, cash and accrual have an impact on taxes and other
> issues outside of the books.
>
> > 6-) We use 3 people to distribute the books, we pay them as independents
> > under a distribution account (Type: expense) but my partner and I do few
> > distribution stops as well (only about $150 each, every 4 weeks) how do we
> > pay ourselves for that activity?
>
> As employees. The other workers might be employees as well. Look into that
> and see if you need to treat them accordingly.
>
> > 7-) We pay to the owner of the magazine every 4 weeks, a set price per
> > page,
> > I created an account for it called "Page rent, John Smith" (Type:
> > Expense)
> > Is this correct?
>
> What you are paying the "owner" could vary accordingly. A stroll through
> the contract would reveal what it is you are paying, and if it should be
> capitalized (and maybe depreciated) or currently deducted.
>
> You need to find a local CPA or EA who can best advise you of the issues
> above, after they've seen the books, records, contracts, etc, as they can do
> a face-to-face with you and ask a lot of questions to determine where things
> lie and how best to handle them.


Second that advice and add that you should seek a local tax accountant
ASAP. From the nature of your questions it sounds like you do not
have an understanding of year end requirements for taxes, bookkeeping,
etc. If you don't have professional assistance soon it could be a
disaster at tax time or at a minimum you could lose valuable tax
deductions that you don't even know about.








Posted by lo on December 21, 2007, 3:06 pm
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Friday, December 21, 2007



Hello there:



Thank you Paul for your great help, and John, you are correct, I have little
knowledge about

accounting, taxes, etc. but at the last minute I had the opportunity to get
into this business and

I am trying to ask questions and read as much as possible about the subject
to prepare myself

before I go to an accountant which should be in about 2 weeks from now.



Happy Holidays and thank you again,



Lo



================ ============================



> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On October of this year, a friend of mine and I accepted to run a
small
> > > advertisement magazine that publishes every 4 weeks (13 times per
year).
> > > The
> > > type of service we provide doesn't require us to collect sales tax. We
> > > have
> > > around 7 vendors to pay, and about 40 clients, most of them are repeat
> > > clients. (No employees) We pay the owner of the magazine a set price
per
> > > page.
> >
> > > We created an S Corporation, two shareholders total and we both own an
> > > equal
> > > number of shares. We were told that QUICKBOOKS was the best choice for
us
> > > to
> > > organize our business, create invoices, etc. We got QUICKBOOKS PREMIER
> > > EDITION and entered the company information in the program.
> >
> > > Our cycle is as follows: every 4th week we accept the ads from our
> > > clients,
> > > present them with a graphic proof of the ads, do corrections and bill
them
> > > at the same time. We get their payment before everything goes for
> > > printing.
> > > About 13 days later, the magazine is out for distribution. During
these 13
> > > days, we pay all the vendors involved.
> >
> > > We have few questions about the subject:
> >
> > > 1-) To distribute the income between us, every 4 weeks we withdraw
some
> > > money. On the chart of accounts, we created one account called Owner's
> > > Draws
> > > (type: Equity) that we use for this purpose. Is this the correct way
to
> > > collect the "profit"?
> >
> > Yes, but. Some of what you take from the company needs to be in the
form of
> > wages paid for your personal services. So if you're not doing so, set
> > yourselves up as employees and take something out as wages, handling the
> > appropriate amount of tax withholding, etc.
> >
> > > We always make sure that we leave in every draw,
> > > enough money in the bank account that what we begin with to make sure
we
> > > can
> > > cover ourselves in case of unexpected expenses. At the end of
> > > the year, will that additional money be shown as profit as well?
> >
> > You'll be taxed on the profits, regardless of if the amount of cash
taken
> > was less.
> >
> > > 2-) We incurred in expenses to open and run the corporation, here are
some
> > > example of expenses:
> > > Fees for in Corporation
> > > Professional fees for help forming the corporation.
> >
> > Capitalize as an asset called "organization costs" and amortize over 180
> > months, although there is an election to fully expense them in this
year.
> >
> > > P.O.Box rental.
> > > Basic office supplies.
> > > Order of checks and stamp.
> > > Telephone line.
> >
> > Deductible expenses this year.
> >
> > > Software, etc.
> >
> > Software is another asset that gets capitalized and depreciated over
three
> > years, althoug it too can be expensed out quicker (section 179 applies)
if
> > you so elect.
> >
> > > Can we get reimbursement for these expenses from the corporation, and
if
> > > yes, show those specific expenses but the check made to us personally?
> > > Under
> > > what accounts that would be classified?
> >
> > See above for the classification, and yes, the company can curt you a
check
> > for the expenses you incured - except - you need to have some "basis"
for
> > the shares you each hold.
> >
> > > 3-)As far as I understand, from the second year on of existence of the
> > > corporation, either my partner or I have to be an employee of the
> > > corporation, is this correct? Do we need an employee?
> >
> > Yeah, you may need to be an employee for the first year too.
> >
> > What might happen if you weren't employees, is the IRS (or state) would
> > reclassify you as an employee, make a demand for unpaid payroll taxes,
> > penalties for late payment, penalties for late filing of payroll
returns,
> > etc and so on till you're broke.
> >
> > > 4-)Of the initial money we use to open the bank account, now that
there is
> > > additional monies in the account, can we withdraw the initial money
back
> > > to
> > > us and if yes under what account would that be classified?
> >
> > You need to remember that you have to have some basis for the stock you
> > bought. When you buy shares of a company - from the company as you did,
the
> > money goews to the company, and you get a piece of paper that says
you're
> > part owner. If you get that money back, who is the owner?
> >
> > > 5-) In an accounting book that we bought, it says that from the very
> > > beginning we have to decide if we are going to run the business in an
> > > accrual or cash basis, but searching Quick Books, it seems that you
can do
> > > either, it is just matter of setting the reports one way or another,
is
> > > that
> > > correct?
> >
> > For report printing in QB, yes, you can flip between the two. How you
use
> > the software has more impact than the report selection. You could
select
> > "accrual" and do all yoru accounting entries on the cash basis (ie:" not
use
> > the payables or receivables functions) and get reports under both basis
that
> > are identical. Also, cash and accrual have an impact on taxes and other
> > issues outside of the books.
> >
> > > 6-) We use 3 people to distribute the books, we pay them as
independents
> > > under a distribution account (Type: expense) but my partner and I do
few
> > > distribution stops as well (only about $150 each, every 4 weeks) how
do we
> > > pay ourselves for that activity?
> >
> > As employees. The other workers might be employees as well. Look into
that
> > and see if you need to treat them accordingly.
> >
> > > 7-) We pay to the owner of the magazine every 4 weeks, a set price per
> > > page,
> > > I created an account for it called "Page rent, John Smith" (Type:
> > > Expense)
> > > Is this correct?
> >
> > What you are paying the "owner" could vary accordingly. A stroll
through
> > the contract would reveal what it is you are paying, and if it should be
> > capitalized (and maybe depreciated) or currently deducted.
> >
> > You need to find a local CPA or EA who can best advise you of the issues
> > above, after they've seen the books, records, contracts, etc, as they
can do
> > a face-to-face with you and ask a lot of questions to determine where
things
> > lie and how best to handle them.
>
>
> Second that advice and add that you should seek a local tax accountant
> ASAP. From the nature of your questions it sounds like you do not
> have an understanding of year end requirements for taxes, bookkeeping,
> etc. If you don't have professional assistance soon it could be a
> disaster at tax time or at a minimum you could lose valuable tax
> deductions that you don't even know about.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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