No UPCE in RMS Label Wizard

Posted by Ted on June 24, 2008, 2:13 pm

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We are a craft store selling many unique craft items from suppliers who do
not have bar coded products. In the past we have generated 6 digit UPCE
codes for internal use. Our barcode printer printed these labels which we
could scan at the register and thereby track sales.

We are now in the process of migrating to RMS. We definitely need to
continue using UPCE bar codes, but the RMS label wizard does not list UPCE
as an available barcode. Since GS1US defines UPCE as a standard bar code for
POS scanning I'm surprised at this omission.

Is there any way to add UPCE as a bar code type to the Label Wizard? We
prefer not to use an external program or RMS add-in, trying to remain as
"standard" as possible.

Thanks

Ted

Posted by JerryData on June 24, 2008, 3:38 pm

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Dude!
You should not be printing barcodes in upce - it could cause you a LOT of
trouble (surprised you haven't had it yet!).
UPCE, like UPCA, has a country code and a check digit (a logorithym to see
if the barcode is formed properly).
My advise to you is to convert ALL your printing to 128A, allowing you to
also print alpha-numeric.
The present labels you have printed will still read by your scanner (I
guess...)

--
-Jerry
JR Data Inc.

"Ted" wrote:

> We are a craft store selling many unique craft items from suppliers who do

> not have bar coded products. In the past we have generated 6 digit UPCE

> codes for internal use. Our barcode printer printed these labels which we

> could scan at the register and thereby track sales.

> We are now in the process of migrating to RMS. We definitely need to

> continue using UPCE bar codes, but the RMS label wizard does not list UPCE

> as an available barcode. Since GS1US defines UPCE as a standard bar code for

> POS scanning I'm surprised at this omission.

> Is there any way to add UPCE as a bar code type to the Label Wizard? We

> prefer not to use an external program or RMS add-in, trying to remain as

> "standard" as possible.

> Thanks

> Ted

Posted by Maurice @ ARS on June 24, 2008, 5:03 pm

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I would agree, If you add the UPC-E to the alias you wont have to relable
any of the old stock, Make sure you scan an item into notepad though to see
what is actually being scanned by the scanner as it is likely different than
what you see on the label.

> Dude!

> You should not be printing barcodes in upce - it could cause you a LOT of

> trouble (surprised you haven't had it yet!).

> UPCE, like UPCA, has a country code and a check digit (a logorithym to see

> if the barcode is formed properly).

> My advise to you is to convert ALL your printing to 128A, allowing you to

> also print alpha-numeric.

> The present labels you have printed will still read by your scanner (I

> guess...)

> --

> -Jerry

> JR Data Inc.

> "Ted" wrote:

>> We are a craft store selling many unique craft items from suppliers who

>> do

>> not have bar coded products. In the past we have generated 6 digit UPCE

>> codes for internal use. Our barcode printer printed these labels which

>> we

>> could scan at the register and thereby track sales.

>> We are now in the process of migrating to RMS. We definitely need to

>> continue using UPCE bar codes, but the RMS label wizard does not list

>> UPCE

>> as an available barcode. Since GS1US defines UPCE as a standard bar code

>> for

>> POS scanning I'm surprised at this omission.

>> Is there any way to add UPCE as a bar code type to the Label Wizard? We

>> prefer not to use an external program or RMS add-in, trying to remain as

>> "standard" as possible.

>> Thanks

>> Ted

Posted by Ted on June 24, 2008, 6:30 pm

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Jerry;

We've been doing it for years with no problems at all. Although there are 6
significant digits the code is really 8 digits. All UPCE codes begin with
zero, and the eigth digit is a check digit based on the equivalent UPCA
expansion. The existing labeling program automatically calculates these and
prints a correct UPCE barcode. We do not use all the codes, but assign them
ending with digits 5 through 9 (plus check digit).

We have products in inventory with UPCE codes printed on the package by the
vendor, primarily items like candy and gum. There has never been a
conflict. Their codes are always in a completely different numbering
sequence.

I've done some experimenting with code 128, but the GS1US standard states
only four code types are approved for POS use; UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-13 and
EAN-8. According to their documentation those are the only codes that can
be read omnidirectionally, and are therefore the only codes that can be used
for POS scanners.

http://barcodes.gs1us.org/dnn_bcec/Standards/BarCodes/EANUPC/tabid/183/DEFAULT.aspx

The next link states that code 128 is NOT suitable for use at a POS.

http://barcodes.gs1us.org/dnn_bcec/Standards/BarCodes/GS1128/tabid/185/Default.aspx

This is why I am looking for the ability to print UPCE.

Thanks

Ted

> Dude!

> You should not be printing barcodes in upce - it could cause you a LOT of

> trouble (surprised you haven't had it yet!).

> UPCE, like UPCA, has a country code and a check digit (a logorithym to see

> if the barcode is formed properly).

> My advise to you is to convert ALL your printing to 128A, allowing you to

> also print alpha-numeric.

> The present labels you have printed will still read by your scanner (I

> guess...)

> --

> -Jerry

> JR Data Inc.

> "Ted" wrote:

>> We are a craft store selling many unique craft items from suppliers who

>> do

>> not have bar coded products. In the past we have generated 6 digit UPCE

>> codes for internal use. Our barcode printer printed these labels which

>> we

>> could scan at the register and thereby track sales.

>> We are now in the process of migrating to RMS. We definitely need to

>> continue using UPCE bar codes, but the RMS label wizard does not list

>> UPCE

>> as an available barcode. Since GS1US defines UPCE as a standard bar code

>> for

>> POS scanning I'm surprised at this omission.

>> Is there any way to add UPCE as a bar code type to the Label Wizard? We

>> prefer not to use an external program or RMS add-in, trying to remain as

>> "standard" as possible.

>> Thanks

>> Ted

Posted by JerryData on June 24, 2008, 9:59 pm

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Well, the idea that POS scanners can't read 128's is just silly, no matter
who wrote it.
I have at least 25 clients that use them regularly.
As far as your issue, I don't know what to tell you. I don't see any
reference in RMS to UPCE.
HOWEVER...
IF you are using a real label printer like a Zebra or a Cognitive Solutions,
you could create a custom label and hard code the UPC type into the label, as
RMS just sends the number to the label. (In the Labels folder) So when you
print that label, you get a UPCE no matter what you send to it.
Examples:
CS: BARCODE CODEUPCE 40 140 70 <<ItemLookupCode>>
Zebra: "B350,50,1,1A,3,7,100,B,"
Each printer has a code that tells it what type of barcode to print, as they
are actually rendered in the printer itself. The code can be obtained from
the printer's programming manual.

If you need help with this approach let me know.
I hope this helps!
--
-Jerry
JR Data Inc.

"Ted" wrote:

> Jerry;

> We've been doing it for years with no problems at all. Although there are 6

> significant digits the code is really 8 digits. All UPCE codes begin with

> zero, and the eigth digit is a check digit based on the equivalent UPCA

> expansion. The existing labeling program automatically calculates these and

> prints a correct UPCE barcode. We do not use all the codes, but assign them

> ending with digits 5 through 9 (plus check digit).

> We have products in inventory with UPCE codes printed on the package by the

> vendor, primarily items like candy and gum. There has never been a

> conflict. Their codes are always in a completely different numbering

> sequence.

> I've done some experimenting with code 128, but the GS1US standard states

> only four code types are approved for POS use; UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-13 and

> EAN-8. According to their documentation those are the only codes that can

> be read omnidirectionally, and are therefore the only codes that can be used

> for POS scanners.

http://barcodes.gs1us.org/dnn_bcec/Standards/BarCodes/EANUPC/tabid/183/DEFAULT.aspx

> The next link states that code 128 is NOT suitable for use at a POS.

http://barcodes.gs1us.org/dnn_bcec/Standards/BarCodes/GS1128/tabid/185/Default.aspx

> This is why I am looking for the ability to print UPCE.

> Thanks

> Ted

> > Dude!

> > You should not be printing barcodes in upce - it could cause you a LOT of

> > trouble (surprised you haven't had it yet!).

> > UPCE, like UPCA, has a country code and a check digit (a logorithym to see

> > if the barcode is formed properly).

> > My advise to you is to convert ALL your printing to 128A, allowing you to

> > also print alpha-numeric.

> > The present labels you have printed will still read by your scanner (I

> > guess...)

> >

> > --

> > -Jerry

> > JR Data Inc.

> >

> > "Ted" wrote:

> >

> >> We are a craft store selling many unique craft items from suppliers who

> >> do

> >> not have bar coded products. In the past we have generated 6 digit UPCE

> >> codes for internal use. Our barcode printer printed these labels which

> >> we

> >> could scan at the register and thereby track sales.

> >>

> >> We are now in the process of migrating to RMS. We definitely need to

> >> continue using UPCE bar codes, but the RMS label wizard does not list

> >> UPCE

> >> as an available barcode. Since GS1US defines UPCE as a standard bar code

> >> for

> >> POS scanning I'm surprised at this omission.

> >>

> >> Is there any way to add UPCE as a bar code type to the Label Wizard? We

> >> prefer not to use an external program or RMS add-in, trying to remain as

> >> "standard" as possible.

> >>

> >> Thanks

> >>

> >> Ted

> >>