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Repository of queries and reports Jason 11-17-2007
Posted by Danny on November 23, 2007, 3:49 pm
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Hey Craig

<< For those that need more let them be the ones to pay for it.>>
I thought this forum was for sharing idea and helping each other. If someone
didn't post them on the forum to start up with you wouldn't have amassed a
library of over 125 reports .... Everyone has to start as a newbie and we
all needed help with reports when we first started - so now it's time to
help others. It really disappoints me when the answers to forum questions
are:
A) see your partner or
B) buy this add-on.
Having a central report library would be great... similar to the
customersource where people could share their work.

Danny
> Hi Craig.... I think that was Joe Namath speaking when I used the word
> "guarantee"....I guess if the reports and receipt templates one can amass
> over the years from this forum, customersource and partners/resellers have
> cost less than a few hundred dollars then the cost/benefit analysis makes
> sense (why pay for something when you can get if for free or close to
> nothing). But it could be that adding up partner support fees, per
> incident
> support fees, maintenance fees that give you access to customersource,
> high-speed internet access fees and the cost/time of the whole shebang may
> show one probably spent a lot more than those several hundred dollars. (I
> think I may have been a bean counter on a previous life)
>
> The point I wanted to make is that RMS really needs to provide these tools
> as built-in features; if they can do it without raising the price, more
> power
> to MS. Eventually all retailers have to spend the time to read up on and
> learn the software they trust their businesses to; having built-in report
> creators and document / printout creators would add significant value and
> power to what is essentially an investment in one's business. Hopefully
> our
> business partners, this forum and customersource will be around forever,
> yet
> there's no guarantee that that will be the case (there I go with
> guarantees
> again); but with regular backups and common sense, there's a pretty good
> chance that your installation CD and backups will be around and provide
> one
> many many years of great use, great reports and great receipt designs.
>
> "Craig" wrote:
>
>> Not to sound grumpy or anything, but speak for yourself when you
>> guarantee
>> users would be more than willing to pay $500-1000 more for such an
>> ability.
>> I do not need such a utility if it would cost any more to have it
>> included.
>> Yes it would be nice to have, but only if it was included in the current
>> price structure. Between this forum, customersource, and my partner I
>> have
>> amassed a library of over 125 reports that do everything I need them to
>> do.
>> For those that need more let them be the ones to pay for it.
>> Craig
>>
>> > Maybe you can set up downloads based on registering yourself as a user,
>> > which
>> > would make one "accept" certain terms and conditions, ie "Jason's not
>> > liable
>> > for whatever's posted here", "there is no guarantee of fit for any
>> > particular
>> > purpose", "proceed at your own risk", etc. But really, there wouldn't
>> > be
>> > any
>> > need for this if RMS came with a built-in report creator/editor and a
>> > document creator/edit; IMHO a retailer shouldn't have to edit reports
>> > or
>> > xml
>> > files in notepad and paste sql verbiage to add a column to a report or
>> > get
>> > their receipt to print the way they need it to print. I love the sql
>> > database but the application is still in the little leagues until these
>> > two
>> > areas are included with the software - heck, I guarantee users would be
>> > more
>> > than willing to pay an extra $500 to $1000 for the ability to create
>> > and
>> > edit
>> > reports and documents.
>> >
>> > "Jason" wrote:
>> >
>> >> There are constant requests for reposts of reports and other rms
>> >> files.
>> >>
>> >> I want to offer up some hosting space to have a simple repository of
>> >> custom
>> >> reports, sql queries, and other relevant customization fiels for RMS.
>> >> I
>> >> am
>> >> wondering if there is anything inherently wrong with that in regards
>> >> to
>> >> licensing and copyright. Any comments?
>> >>
>> >> What I envision is that people would send files to an email address I
>> >> set
>> >> up
>> >> and I would dump the attachments into some public webspace. It would
>> >> be
>> >> kind
>> >> of a free-for-all of files for people to use as examples.
>> >>
>> >> Also, would there be any security risks I should consider? I certainly
>> >> don't
>> >> want to be liable for someone screwing up theier data with files
>> >> downloaded
>> >> from my website.
>> >>
>> >> Example site started here: http://natureisle.com/rms
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If I receive positive feedback I will provide an email address to
>> >> which
>> >> files can be sent.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>



Posted by Craig on November 23, 2007, 4:28 pm
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Danny,
I totally agree. If you read all my posts to this thread you will notice
that I wholeheartly support Jason's idea. And if you look back through my
posting history you will notice that I share my experiences, and attach
reports to be downloaded, as much as anyone. Convoluted is very
knowledgable, and I appreciate that he and everyone else that posts, share
as much as they do. You really took my qoute << For those that need more let
them be the ones to pay for it.>> out of context. I wasn't against Jason's
idea at all. I said that in response to "everyone being willing to pay
$500-$1000 more" for MS to include a utility that would easily write reports
for end users(it would easily be another $1000). If someone needs that kind
of reporting ability I shouldn't have to pay for it also. When I agree with
an idea I speak up, but that also goes for if I disagree with an idea. One
more thing, sometimes referring to a partner or purchasing one of the really
great add-ons available for RMS, is the best solution to a problem. Keep in
mind that if everything everyone wanted was included in the basic program
there wouldn't be any newbies, because no one would be able to afford it.
Craig

> Hey Craig
>
> << For those that need more let them be the ones to pay for it.>>
> I thought this forum was for sharing idea and helping each other. If
> someone didn't post them on the forum to start up with you wouldn't have
> amassed a library of over 125 reports .... Everyone has to start as a
> newbie and we all needed help with reports when we first started - so now
> it's time to help others. It really disappoints me when the answers to
> forum questions are:
> A) see your partner or
> B) buy this add-on.
> Having a central report library would be great... similar to the
> customersource where people could share their work.
>
> Danny
>> Hi Craig.... I think that was Joe Namath speaking when I used the word
>> "guarantee"....I guess if the reports and receipt templates one can amass
>> over the years from this forum, customersource and partners/resellers
>> have
>> cost less than a few hundred dollars then the cost/benefit analysis makes
>> sense (why pay for something when you can get if for free or close to
>> nothing). But it could be that adding up partner support fees, per
>> incident
>> support fees, maintenance fees that give you access to customersource,
>> high-speed internet access fees and the cost/time of the whole shebang
>> may
>> show one probably spent a lot more than those several hundred dollars.
>> (I
>> think I may have been a bean counter on a previous life)
>>
>> The point I wanted to make is that RMS really needs to provide these
>> tools
>> as built-in features; if they can do it without raising the price, more
>> power
>> to MS. Eventually all retailers have to spend the time to read up on and
>> learn the software they trust their businesses to; having built-in report
>> creators and document / printout creators would add significant value and
>> power to what is essentially an investment in one's business. Hopefully
>> our
>> business partners, this forum and customersource will be around forever,
>> yet
>> there's no guarantee that that will be the case (there I go with
>> guarantees
>> again); but with regular backups and common sense, there's a pretty good
>> chance that your installation CD and backups will be around and provide
>> one
>> many many years of great use, great reports and great receipt designs.
>>
>> "Craig" wrote:
>>
>>> Not to sound grumpy or anything, but speak for yourself when you
>>> guarantee
>>> users would be more than willing to pay $500-1000 more for such an
>>> ability.
>>> I do not need such a utility if it would cost any more to have it
>>> included.
>>> Yes it would be nice to have, but only if it was included in the current
>>> price structure. Between this forum, customersource, and my partner I
>>> have
>>> amassed a library of over 125 reports that do everything I need them to
>>> do.
>>> For those that need more let them be the ones to pay for it.
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> > Maybe you can set up downloads based on registering yourself as a
>>> > user,
>>> > which
>>> > would make one "accept" certain terms and conditions, ie "Jason's not
>>> > liable
>>> > for whatever's posted here", "there is no guarantee of fit for any
>>> > particular
>>> > purpose", "proceed at your own risk", etc. But really, there wouldn't
>>> > be
>>> > any
>>> > need for this if RMS came with a built-in report creator/editor and a
>>> > document creator/edit; IMHO a retailer shouldn't have to edit reports
>>> > or
>>> > xml
>>> > files in notepad and paste sql verbiage to add a column to a report or
>>> > get
>>> > their receipt to print the way they need it to print. I love the sql
>>> > database but the application is still in the little leagues until
>>> > these
>>> > two
>>> > areas are included with the software - heck, I guarantee users would
>>> > be
>>> > more
>>> > than willing to pay an extra $500 to $1000 for the ability to create
>>> > and
>>> > edit
>>> > reports and documents.
>>> >
>>> > "Jason" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> There are constant requests for reposts of reports and other rms
>>> >> files.
>>> >>
>>> >> I want to offer up some hosting space to have a simple repository of
>>> >> custom
>>> >> reports, sql queries, and other relevant customization fiels for RMS.
>>> >> I
>>> >> am
>>> >> wondering if there is anything inherently wrong with that in regards
>>> >> to
>>> >> licensing and copyright. Any comments?
>>> >>
>>> >> What I envision is that people would send files to an email address I
>>> >> set
>>> >> up
>>> >> and I would dump the attachments into some public webspace. It would
>>> >> be
>>> >> kind
>>> >> of a free-for-all of files for people to use as examples.
>>> >>
>>> >> Also, would there be any security risks I should consider? I
>>> >> certainly
>>> >> don't
>>> >> want to be liable for someone screwing up theier data with files
>>> >> downloaded
>>> >> from my website.
>>> >>
>>> >> Example site started here: http://natureisle.com/rms
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> If I receive positive feedback I will provide an email address to
>>> >> which
>>> >> files can be sent.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>
>


Posted by Danny on November 23, 2007, 8:04 pm
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Craig

Sorry , if I misinterpreted your response. I'm just frustrated with the lack
of information regarding how to produce your own reports. You would think
that their would be some documentation about QRP. I have been able to figure
some of it out by looking at other reports but documentation would be
appreciated.

If it wasn't for people like Akber, Jeff, Tom, Glenn and few others around
the forum I do think I would have learned anything about RMS from my
partner. These folks desire a big THANK-YOU...

Danny
> Danny,
> I totally agree. If you read all my posts to this thread you will notice
> that I wholeheartly support Jason's idea. And if you look back through my
> posting history you will notice that I share my experiences, and attach
> reports to be downloaded, as much as anyone. Convoluted is very
> knowledgable, and I appreciate that he and everyone else that posts, share
> as much as they do. You really took my qoute << For those that need more
> let them be the ones to pay for it.>> out of context. I wasn't against
> Jason's idea at all. I said that in response to "everyone being willing to
> pay $500-$1000 more" for MS to include a utility that would easily write
> reports for end users(it would easily be another $1000). If someone needs
> that kind of reporting ability I shouldn't have to pay for it also. When I
> agree with an idea I speak up, but that also goes for if I disagree with
> an idea. One more thing, sometimes referring to a partner or purchasing
> one of the really great add-ons available for RMS, is the best solution to
> a problem. Keep in mind that if everything everyone wanted was included in
> the basic program there wouldn't be any newbies, because no one would be
> able to afford it.
> Craig
>
>> Hey Craig
>>
>> << For those that need more let them be the ones to pay for it.>>
>> I thought this forum was for sharing idea and helping each other. If
>> someone didn't post them on the forum to start up with you wouldn't have
>> amassed a library of over 125 reports .... Everyone has to start as a
>> newbie and we all needed help with reports when we first started - so now
>> it's time to help others. It really disappoints me when the answers to
>> forum questions are:
>> A) see your partner or
>> B) buy this add-on.
>> Having a central report library would be great... similar to the
>> customersource where people could share their work.
>>
>> Danny
>>> Hi Craig.... I think that was Joe Namath speaking when I used the word
>>> "guarantee"....I guess if the reports and receipt templates one can
>>> amass
>>> over the years from this forum, customersource and partners/resellers
>>> have
>>> cost less than a few hundred dollars then the cost/benefit analysis
>>> makes
>>> sense (why pay for something when you can get if for free or close to
>>> nothing). But it could be that adding up partner support fees, per
>>> incident
>>> support fees, maintenance fees that give you access to customersource,
>>> high-speed internet access fees and the cost/time of the whole shebang
>>> may
>>> show one probably spent a lot more than those several hundred dollars.
>>> (I
>>> think I may have been a bean counter on a previous life)
>>>
>>> The point I wanted to make is that RMS really needs to provide these
>>> tools
>>> as built-in features; if they can do it without raising the price, more
>>> power
>>> to MS. Eventually all retailers have to spend the time to read up on
>>> and
>>> learn the software they trust their businesses to; having built-in
>>> report
>>> creators and document / printout creators would add significant value
>>> and
>>> power to what is essentially an investment in one's business. Hopefully
>>> our
>>> business partners, this forum and customersource will be around forever,
>>> yet
>>> there's no guarantee that that will be the case (there I go with
>>> guarantees
>>> again); but with regular backups and common sense, there's a pretty good
>>> chance that your installation CD and backups will be around and provide
>>> one
>>> many many years of great use, great reports and great receipt designs.
>>>
>>> "Craig" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not to sound grumpy or anything, but speak for yourself when you
>>>> guarantee
>>>> users would be more than willing to pay $500-1000 more for such an
>>>> ability.
>>>> I do not need such a utility if it would cost any more to have it
>>>> included.
>>>> Yes it would be nice to have, but only if it was included in the
>>>> current
>>>> price structure. Between this forum, customersource, and my partner I
>>>> have
>>>> amassed a library of over 125 reports that do everything I need them
>>>> to do.
>>>> For those that need more let them be the ones to pay for it.
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> > Maybe you can set up downloads based on registering yourself as a
>>>> > user,
>>>> > which
>>>> > would make one "accept" certain terms and conditions, ie "Jason's not
>>>> > liable
>>>> > for whatever's posted here", "there is no guarantee of fit for any
>>>> > particular
>>>> > purpose", "proceed at your own risk", etc. But really, there
>>>> > wouldn't be
>>>> > any
>>>> > need for this if RMS came with a built-in report creator/editor and a
>>>> > document creator/edit; IMHO a retailer shouldn't have to edit reports
>>>> > or
>>>> > xml
>>>> > files in notepad and paste sql verbiage to add a column to a report
>>>> > or get
>>>> > their receipt to print the way they need it to print. I love the sql
>>>> > database but the application is still in the little leagues until
>>>> > these
>>>> > two
>>>> > areas are included with the software - heck, I guarantee users would
>>>> > be
>>>> > more
>>>> > than willing to pay an extra $500 to $1000 for the ability to create
>>>> > and
>>>> > edit
>>>> > reports and documents.
>>>> >
>>>> > "Jason" wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> There are constant requests for reposts of reports and other rms
>>>> >> files.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I want to offer up some hosting space to have a simple repository of
>>>> >> custom
>>>> >> reports, sql queries, and other relevant customization fiels for
>>>> >> RMS. I
>>>> >> am
>>>> >> wondering if there is anything inherently wrong with that in regards
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> licensing and copyright. Any comments?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What I envision is that people would send files to an email address
>>>> >> I set
>>>> >> up
>>>> >> and I would dump the attachments into some public webspace. It would
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> kind
>>>> >> of a free-for-all of files for people to use as examples.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Also, would there be any security risks I should consider? I
>>>> >> certainly
>>>> >> don't
>>>> >> want to be liable for someone screwing up theier data with files
>>>> >> downloaded
>>>> >> from my website.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Example site started here: http://natureisle.com/rms
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If I receive positive feedback I will provide an email address to
>>>> >> which
>>>> >> files can be sent.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>
>>
>



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