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question about property management and posting in expenses? Craig Bartels 09-14-2006
Posted by Craig Bartels on September 14, 2006, 3:13 pm
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All,

I am struggling with something, that I am sure is very simple, here is
the scenerio:

I have an individual that I manage properties for. We collect rent,
then reimburse him for his rent minus our management fee.

I receive money as income with a class structured under his name with
a sub class for each property address.

I then send him his rent money minus the management fee. How can I
show this expense in a class so I can track exactly what his expenses
are? What I had been doing was just putting in what we send him back
minus management fee as one entry....so income/expense shows up right
on our end, but I have no way of tracking the $100 in a class? Am I
making sense?

Thanks!

Craig Bartels

Posted by Allan Martin on September 14, 2006, 3:40 pm
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> All,
>
> I am struggling with something, that I am sure is very simple, here is
> the scenerio:

Your assumption is incorrect . This is not a normal run of the mill
situation. Are you recording these transactions in your own company books or
a dummy set up books just for this purpose?


>
> I have an individual that I manage properties for. We collect rent,
> then reimburse him for his rent minus our management fee.
>
> I receive money as income with a class structured under his name with
> a sub class for each property address.
>
> I then send him his rent money minus the management fee. How can I
> show this expense in a class so I can track exactly what his expenses
> are? What I had been doing was just putting in what we send him back
> minus management fee as one entry....so income/expense shows up right
> on our end, but I have no way of tracking the $100 in a class? Am I
> making sense?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Craig Bartels



Posted by Craig Bartels on September 18, 2006, 1:34 pm
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wrote:

>
>> All,
>>
>> I am struggling with something, that I am sure is very simple, here is
>> the scenerio:
>
>Your assumption is incorrect . This is not a normal run of the mill
>situation. Are you recording these transactions in your own company books or
>a dummy set up books just for this purpose?
>
>


No, I am recording these on our books, not a dummy book.








>>
>> I have an individual that I manage properties for. We collect rent,
>> then reimburse him for his rent minus our management fee.
>>
>> I receive money as income with a class structured under his name with
>> a sub class for each property address.
>>
>> I then send him his rent money minus the management fee. How can I
>> show this expense in a class so I can track exactly what his expenses
>> are? What I had been doing was just putting in what we send him back
>> minus management fee as one entry....so income/expense shows up right
>> on our end, but I have no way of tracking the $100 in a class? Am I
>> making sense?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Craig Bartels
>

Posted by Scott on September 14, 2006, 4:47 pm
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> All,
>
> I am struggling with something, that I am sure is very simple, here is
> the scenerio:
>
> I have an individual that I manage properties for. We collect rent,
> then reimburse him for his rent minus our management fee.
>
> I receive money as income with a class structured under his name with
> a sub class for each property address.
>
> I then send him his rent money minus the management fee. How can I
> show this expense in a class so I can track exactly what his expenses
> are? What I had been doing was just putting in what we send him back
> minus management fee as one entry....so income/expense shows up right
> on our end, but I have no way of tracking the $100 in a class? Am I
> making sense?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Craig Bartels

Sounds like you're trying to keep 2 sets of records in one QB data file:
yours and his. From your standpoint, the rent collected is NOT income, it's
a liability (you owe it to the owner) - we use Collected Rents Payable with
sub accounts for each owner & property. When payment to the property owner
is made, the check is split with the full amount of the rent coming out of
the CRP account, and a negative amount (indicating a credit) representing
the fee posted to Management Fee Income.

On the property owners books, they would only record the receipt of the
check in a deposit by posting the full rent amount to Rental Income and a
negative amount (indicating a debit) representing the fee posted to
Management Fee Expense.

Not sure if you can combine these two into one data file or not, but I
suspect it would get kinda messy.

Scott out.



Posted by scfundogs on September 14, 2006, 5:01 pm
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>
> Sounds like you're trying to keep 2 sets of records in one QB data file:
> yours and his. From your standpoint, the rent collected is NOT income,
> it's a liability (you owe it to the owner) - we use Collected Rents
> Payable with sub accounts for each owner & property. When payment to the
> property owner is made, the check is split with the full amount of the
> rent coming out of the CRP account, and a negative amount (indicating a
> credit) representing the fee posted to Management Fee Income.
>
> On the property owners books, they would only record the receipt of the
> check in a deposit by posting the full rent amount to Rental Income and a
> negative amount (indicating a debit) representing the fee posted to
> Management Fee Expense.
>
> Not sure if you can combine these two into one data file or not, but I
> suspect it would get kinda messy.
>
> Scott out.

I do books for a property management company and it took alot of back &
forth, thinking & rethinking to make it work in QB because QB just isn't
designed for it.

Our procedure requires the use of a separate Excel spreadsheet. Properties
are setup as customers with tenants as jobs. Property owners are setup as
vendors.

Rents collected post to income and all property costs, including payments to
owners, posted as COGS.

A check is written once per month to the owner for the amount due, taken
from the Excel spreadsheet detailing rent paid less property expenses less
management fee.

Its not perfect, its not the only way to do it, it can be argued that the
monies collected aren't income but liabilities but it boils down to the
accountant's preferences and the way the business operates. In my example
the COGS are always going to be almost as much as the income so the
difference is the management fee.

--
Tara



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