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401K: Do 1 'buy' on 1/1/07 vs. entering all txs? Jim S 12-28-2006
Posted by Jim S on December 28, 2006, 1:29 pm
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Hi everyone..

I'd like to start tracking 401K performance in Quicken, but don't want
to enter 10+ years of transaction data and am looking for a workaround.

I only care about performance data going forward (1/1/2007 on). So, can
I just do a one-time "buy" for each fund in the 401K, where the number
of shares would reflect what I owned on 12/31/06? (Eg: I own 1000
shares at $20 of Fund X on 12/31. On 1/1, I do a one-time buy [using
cash from a 'dummy' fund that I create] of 1000 shares of Fund X at
$20/share)? If I do that, will Q track performance for that fund for
2007 and onward "correctly"?

I'm trying to avoid the dreaded "placeholder" entries, as it seems like
Q can only calculate performance (even for the current year, right?) if
I go back and enter ALL transaction data - and this would take me days
(literally) as I have both my wife's and my 401Ks to enter.

This seems logical to me, but I'm wondering if I "lose" anything (eg:
cost basis data) with this approach vs. entering 10+ years of data for
both of our 401Ks?

Thanks..

Jim

Posted by Porter Smith on December 28, 2006, 2:06 pm
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dnVNfjO6EkAnYnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com:

> Hi everyone..
>
> I'd like to start tracking 401K performance in Quicken, but don't want
> to enter 10+ years of transaction data and am looking for a workaround.
>
> I only care about performance data going forward (1/1/2007 on). So,
can
> I just do a one-time "buy" for each fund in the 401K, where the
number
> of shares would reflect what I owned on 12/31/06? (Eg: I own 1000
> shares at $20 of Fund X on 12/31. On 1/1, I do a one-time buy [using
> cash from a 'dummy' fund that I create] of 1000 shares of Fund X at
> $20/share)? If I do that, will Q track performance for that fund for
> 2007 and onward "correctly"?
I sure hope this is OK becuase it's what I did when I first started
using Quicken in 1996. I the current figures from my 401(k) which I had
opened about 10 years earlier.

But instead of a Buy, you can "Add Shares to account". Basically the same
but you don't have to enter that dummy cash transaction

> This seems logical to me, but I'm wondering if I "lose" anything (eg:
> cost basis data) with this approach vs. entering 10+ years of data for
> both of our 401Ks?

Correct me if I am wrong but you don't care about cost basis in a 401(k).
When you start withdrawing, you sell X shares of Fund Y at price Z and
declare X*Z as income. Doesn't matter if you are selling the shares for
more or less than you paid for them.

Posted by Andrew on December 28, 2006, 6:13 pm
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Jim S wrote:
> Hi everyone..
>
> I'd like to start tracking 401K performance in Quicken, but don't want
> to enter 10+ years of transaction data and am looking for a
> workaround.
> I only care about performance data going forward (1/1/2007 on). So,
> can I just do a one-time "buy" for each fund in the 401K, where the
> number of shares would reflect what I owned on 12/31/06? (Eg: I own
> 1000 shares at $20 of Fund X on 12/31. On 1/1, I do a one-time buy
> [using cash from a 'dummy' fund that I create] of 1000 shares of Fund
> X at $20/share)? If I do that, will Q track performance for that
> fund for 2007 and onward "correctly"?
>
> I'm trying to avoid the dreaded "placeholder" entries, as it seems
> like Q can only calculate performance (even for the current year,
> right?) if I go back and enter ALL transaction data - and this would
> take me days (literally) as I have both my wife's and my 401Ks to
> enter.
> This seems logical to me, but I'm wondering if I "lose" anything (eg:
> cost basis data) with this approach vs. entering 10+ years of data for
> both of our 401Ks?
>
> Thanks..
>
> Jim

"... but I'm wondering if I "lose" anything (eg: > cost basis data) ".

It is highly likely that you do not have a cost basis as most 401K plans are
funded by employee pre-tax and employer pre-tax contributions. Yes, you'll
lose
historical data as well as (assuming Q has this ability) to differentiate
between your monies you put in and any matching employer contributions.
Personally, I don't care about that as the statements I get from my 401k
plan admin are much more detailed than Q could provide anyway.

I think your method would work as long as you don't include the original
purchase in your date range, as obviously that will skew the results. Also,
I think you need to have at least one year's worth of real transactions to
make the IRR calculations (performance) meaningful, as extrapolating a full
year's IRR with only a few months of data can lead to erroneous results (ie:
if your fund goes up somewhat in one week, that doesn't mean it will
continue to do so at the same rate for the next 51 weeks!).
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Regards -

- Andrew



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