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A Question Steve Dawson 07-05-2006
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Posted by Steve Dawson on July 5, 2006, 11:34 am
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Greetings All,

I've been using Quicken since Parson's Technology Money Counts was merged
with it. My data (QDF) file is around 38M and I've started noticing some
strange happenings. For example it will let me create a new category for
expenses but when I go to add a transaction that uses the category it tells
me I can't use that account since I don't have a position in it. Quicken
tech support (what a laugh!) is useless. They only say validate and then
supervalidate and then export and import the data which causes such
corruption that I would be better off starting from scratch.

I have 2 questions. First has anyone had this problem and found a solution.
Second is there a size limit where the QDF file starts to corrupt itself?

Thanks!

Steve Dawson
aurorasteve51@yahoo.com



Posted by John Pollard on July 5, 2006, 12:57 pm
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> I've been using Quicken since Parson's Technology Money Counts
> was merged with it. My data (QDF) file is around 38M and I've
> started noticing some strange happenings.

> For example it will let me create a new category for expenses
> but when I go to add a transaction that uses the category it
> tells me I can't use that account since I don't have a
> position in it. Quicken tech support (what a laugh!) is
> useless. They only say validate and then supervalidate and
> then export and import the data which causes such corruption
> that I would be better off starting from scratch.
>
> I have 2 questions. First has anyone had this problem and
> found a solution.

I didn't have the problem, but some time ago I was able to
create a situation in which I would get that message. But the
situation I created was slightly different than what you
describe.

If you create a new Single Mutual Fund account and do not
designate a security for the account when you create it, then
try to transfer money to the account, you will get the message
you saw. (I'm not sure, but I think it might be possible that
if you started with a SMF account with no security, then changed
the account to not be a SMF account, you might still get that
message when you tried a transfer to the account.)

Is it possible that the new category you created is very similar
in name to a Single Mutual Fund account you have (had) ... and
that you allowed Quicken's "complete fields" feature to fill in
the account category for the investment account instead of your
actual new category?

> Second is there a size limit where the QDF file starts to
> corrupt itself?

I don't think so. More data means more data that can get
corrupted, but I don't know of any case where size, per se, was
shown to be the cause of corruption.

[Please include your Quicken version/year when posting
questions.]

--
John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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Posted by Andrew DeFaria on July 6, 2006, 3:04 am
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Steve Dawson wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> I've been using Quicken since Parson's Technology Money Counts was
> merged with it. My data (QDF) file is around 38M and I've started
> noticing some strange happenings. For example it will let me create a
> new category for expenses but when I go to add a transaction that uses
> the category it tells me I can't use that account since I don't have a
> position in it. Quicken tech support (what a laugh!) is useless. They
> only say validate and then supervalidate and then export and import
> the data which causes such corruption that I would be better off
> starting from scratch.
Have you tried any of that (validate and super validate. I would first
try copying the database and then working on that copy)? What were the
results?
> I have 2 questions. First has anyone had this problem and found a
> solution.
Normally db copy, validate and super validate resolves most problems.
Since you didn't bother to tell us what you tried and what were the
results we can only speculate...
> Second is there a size limit where the QDF file starts to corrupt itself?
The size limit of the QDF file is the limit of the underlying file
system size. Files don't corrupt themselves simply because they are big.
However as you approach the limits (what is NTFS's limit now a days? 4
gig?) corner cases can occur.

--

Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
Avoid unnecessary, unessential and needless repetition and redundancy.

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type="cite">Greetings All,<br>
<br>
I've been using Quicken since Parson's Technology Money Counts was
merged with it. My data (QDF) file is around 38M and I've started
noticing some strange happenings. For example it will let me create a
new category for expenses but when I go to add a transaction that uses
the category it tells me I can't use that account since I don't have a
position in it. Quicken tech support (what a laugh!) is useless. They
only say validate and then supervalidate and then export and import the
data which causes such corruption that I would be better off starting
from scratch.<br>
</blockquote>
Have you tried any of that (validate and super validate. I would first
try copying the database and then working on that copy)? What were the
results?<br>
<blockquote cite="midNZQqg.62077$fb2.50573@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net"
type="cite">I have 2 questions. First has anyone had this problem and
found a solution. </blockquote>
Normally db copy, validate and super validate resolves most problems.
Since you didn't bother to tell us what you tried and what were the
results we can only speculate...<br>
<blockquote cite="midNZQqg.62077$fb2.50573@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net"
type="cite">Second is there a size limit where the QDF file starts to
corrupt itself?<br>
</blockquote>
The size limit of the QDF file is the limit of the underlying file
system size. Files don't corrupt themselves simply because they are
big. However as you approach the limits (what is NTFS's limit now a
days? 4 gig?) corner cases can occur.<br>
<pre>-- </pre>
<a href="http://defaria.com">Andrew DeFaria</a><br>
<small><font color="#999999">Avoid unnecessary, unessential and
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Posted by Steve Dawson on July 6, 2006, 12:04 pm
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All,

Thanks for the responses.

To provide a little more information. The version of Quicken I'm running =
is 2006 Deluxe on Windows XP Home with all the current updates applied.

What I did was create a new auto loan with a new category for the =
interest (Interest Expense:Auto Loans:GMAC). This allowed me to create =
the category and loan account. Went to make the first payment and since =
I had set this up as a scheduled transaction that dialog box opened. =
Entered the check number from my checking account and clicked record =
payment. That's when the error message appeared.

Prior to this I used a different checking account and created a new =
expense category for one of my cell phone accounts I also received the =
same error message. After copying the file, doing a validate and super =
validate I still received the error message. To correct it at that time =
I copied only transactions from 2000 into a new file keeping the open =
transactions and the investment transactions and was able to use the new =
expense category for the cell phone. This is the first new expense =
category I've added since doing that.

Steve Dawson
Steve Dawson wrote:=20
Greetings All,

I've been using Quicken since Parson's Technology Money Counts was =
merged with it. My data (QDF) file is around 38M and I've started =
noticing some strange happenings. For example it will let me create a =
new category for expenses but when I go to add a transaction that uses =
the category it tells me I can't use that account since I don't have a =
position in it. Quicken tech support (what a laugh!) is useless. They =
only say validate and then supervalidate and then export and import the =
data which causes such corruption that I would be better off starting =
from scratch.

Have you tried any of that (validate and super validate. I would first =
try copying the database and then working on that copy)? What were the =
results?

I have 2 questions. First has anyone had this problem and found a =
solution.=20
Normally db copy, validate and super validate resolves most problems. =
Since you didn't bother to tell us what you tried and what were the =
results we can only speculate...

Second is there a size limit where the QDF file starts to corrupt =
itself?

The size limit of the QDF file is the limit of the underlying file =
system size. Files don't corrupt themselves simply because they are big. =
However as you approach the limits (what is NTFS's limit now a days? 4 =
gig?) corner cases can occur.

-- Andrew DeFaria
Avoid unnecessary, unessential and needless repetition and redundancy.
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Posted by John Pollard on July 6, 2006, 12:15 pm
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When the Quicken Loan Wizard creates a loan payment, it is a
split, with the principal portion of the payment being a
"transfer" to the loan. Have you checked the loan setup to see
if that transfer is correct?

--

John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
Please reply to newsgroup
All,

Thanks for the responses.

To provide a little more information. The version of Quicken I'm
running is 2006 Deluxe on Windows XP Home with all the current
updates applied.

What I did was create a new auto loan with a new category for
the interest (Interest Expense:Auto Loans:GMAC). This allowed me
to create the category and loan account. Went to make the first
payment and since I had set this up as a scheduled transaction
that dialog box opened. Entered the check number from my
checking account and clicked record payment. That's when the
error message appeared.

Prior to this I used a different checking account and created a
new expense category for one of my cell phone accounts I also
received the same error message. After copying the file, doing a
validate and super validate I still received the error message.
To correct it at that time I copied only transactions from 2000
into a new file keeping the open transactions and the investment
transactions and was able to use the new expense category for
the cell phone. This is the first new expense category I've
added since doing that.

Steve Dawson
Steve Dawson wrote:
Greetings All,

I've been using Quicken since Parson's Technology Money
Counts was merged with it. My data (QDF) file is around 38M and
I've started noticing some strange happenings. For example it
will let me create a new category for expenses but when I go to
add a transaction that uses the category it tells me I can't use
that account since I don't have a position in it. Quicken tech
support (what a laugh!) is useless. They only say validate and
then supervalidate and then export and import the data which
causes such corruption that I would be better off starting from
scratch.

Have you tried any of that (validate and super validate. I
would first try copying the database and then working on that
copy)? What were the results?

I have 2 questions. First has anyone had this problem and
found a solution.
Normally db copy, validate and super validate resolves most
problems. Since you didn't bother to tell us what you tried and
what were the results we can only speculate...

Second is there a size limit where the QDF file starts to
corrupt itself?

The size limit of the QDF file is the limit of the underlying
file system size. Files don't corrupt themselves simply because
they are big. However as you approach the limits (what is NTFS's
limit now a days? 4 gig?) corner cases can occur.

-- Andrew DeFaria
Avoid unnecessary, unessential and needless repetition and
redundancy.



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