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Accept Transactions to Register Steve P 03-16-2008
Posted by Andrew on March 17, 2008, 8:42 pm
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Andrew wrote:

>
> "I think #1 is sloppy recordkeeping. " - Why is it 'sloppy'? Those
> transactions (fraudulent or not) are ALREADY in your credit card
> account, and you're merely making Quicken match reality. You can't
> ignore them!
> So perhaps an alternate is to do your #2, but ALSO do #1 for those
> that are not pre-entered by you. THEN you need to figure out WHY you
> have "excess" transactions, and if indeed they're fraudulent or
> shouldn't be there, you'll need to CONTACT your CC company to have
> them reverse the charge. And of course, THAT will come in as a new
> transaction that you'll accept at the future date.

Melvin - I was re-reading your original comment, and I want to point out
that I wasn't saying NOT to match the transactions that you have previously
pre-entered. My comment about #1 was only for those trnsactions that you
did NOT match because they were not in your register beforehand. I think
the jury is out whether or not one should pre-enter or not (I do, as I think
you do as well, but I think others can make a case with good memorized
transactions and Quickfill, you need not pre-enter and still be fine....).

My comment was, again, only directed to transactions that you did not
pre-enter nor had any prior knowledge of. One still needs to allow them to
be entered as 'new' - THAT was my point. (Hope this was clear; apologize
for the muddy waters the first time.)
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Regards -

- Andrew



Posted by Laura on March 17, 2008, 9:23 pm
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> Melvin wrote:
>> I take it that you don't save your credit card / debit card receipts
>> and enter them into your register first.
>>
>> When you download transactions for your credit card / debit card into
>> your various registers, you can operate in one of two ways:
>>
>> 1. Accept each downloaded transaction (as a NEW transaction) into
>> your register.
>> 2. Match each downloaded transaction to an EXISTING transaction in
>> your register. This requires more work because you're manually
>> entering the transactions from your receipts beforehand.
>>
>> If you're doing #1 you're opening yourself up to accepting the
>> occasional fraudulent / incorrect transaction if something like that
>> were to wind up in your account. You're essentially trusting the
>> bank's record of what happened and not your own.
>>
>> If you do #2 you are creating a mechanism whereby you can detect
>> fraudulent / incorrect transactions pretty much on the day you
>> download them to your register and probably 21-30 days before you'd
>> see them on your printed statement.
>>
>> I do #2; I think #1 is sloppy recordkeeping. If you do #1, you're
>> missing out on one of the best benefits of the program.
>>
>>> I'm catching up on my transaction register hitting each transaction
>>> one-by-one. I'm glad Quicken automatically chooses the category,
>>> most of the time, but it seems to me it could be much easier. I'd
>>> like to open my transactions up in a big window, select a bunch of
>>> similar transactions, ie grocery stores, select the category (if
>>> required) and then accept all those transactions. Next I'd do the
>>> same thing for gasoline fillups. Doing this transaction by transaction
>>> it pretty time consuming. Am I
>>> missing something? It seems like I used to be able to do something
>>> like this with Tobias - "Managing Your Money" years ago.
>
> "I think #1 is sloppy recordkeeping. " - Why is it 'sloppy'? Those
> transactions (fraudulent or not) are ALREADY in your credit card account,
> and you're merely making Quicken match reality. You can't ignore them!
>
> So perhaps an alternate is to do your #2, but ALSO do #1 for those that
> are not pre-entered by you. THEN you need to figure out WHY you have
> "excess" transactions, and if indeed they're fraudulent or shouldn't be
> there, you'll need to CONTACT your CC company to have them reverse the
> charge. And of > course, THAT will come in as a new transaction that
> you'll accept at the future date.

It is interesting to read that you feel that #1 is sloppy record keeping.
That is how I do it myself. I do review the bank statement every couple of
days to make sure that there is nothing strange on the statement. But when
you are keeping tabs on several credit & debit cards where 3 or 4 people are
using them on a regular basis it is unrealistic to enter them in advance. We
do not carry much cash on us so we use the debit card constantly. It is not
uncommon for there to be 10-15 transactions in one day for us to record. In
the 4 years that I have been doing things this way, nothing has gotten
booked that was not authorized. It just takes monitoring closely but I don't
have the time to key the transactions into Quicken on a regular basis.
Downloading and categorizing them one at a time works for me. I do use
memorized transactions and naming rules to assist me.


Posted by JimH on March 18, 2008, 12:45 pm
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Laura wrote:
>
> It is interesting to read that you feel that #1 is sloppy record
> keeping. That is how I do it myself. I do review the bank statement
> every couple of days to make sure that there is nothing strange on the
> statement. But when you are keeping tabs on several credit & debit cards
> where 3 or 4 people are using them on a regular basis it is unrealistic
> to enter them in advance. We do not carry much cash on us so we use the
> debit card constantly. It is not uncommon for there to be 10-15
> transactions in one day for us to record. In the 4 years that I have
> been doing things this way, nothing has gotten booked that was not
> authorized. It just takes monitoring closely but I don't have the time
> to key the transactions into Quicken on a regular basis. Downloading and
> categorizing them one at a time works for me. I do use memorized
> transactions and naming rules to assist me.
>

Yes. I'm with you on this. When I first started downloading my
transactions, I was careful to enter every one as I had before downloads
were available. I would then match it to the downloaded data. Over a few
years, I never found an error. I decided that I was wasting my time by
hand entering everything.

I now download daily. I carefully examine each transaction as it is
downloaded, and make sure it is valid. It is rarely the case that a
transaction is unexpected. Yesterday, when I saw a large purchase, I
asked my wife if she had a big charge at the supermarket. She confirmed
that she had bought some extra items and confirmed the amount. So, I
accepted the transaction. I have also found double charges on occasion.
I would have found them whether or not I had entered them myself. The
only thing I would miss is if a transaction was lost, and I never was
charged for something. I doubt that happens very often. It is a risk I'm
willing to live with. :-)

The one difference I have is that I use a credit card for all purchases.
It has better safety than a debit card, and pays me a bonus for every
purchase. The Discover gas card gives me 5% back on every gas purchase
or car repair. It adds up over a year. I use it much like a debit card,
in that I never run a balance and never pay any interest.

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