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Adding fund Asset classes Jeff 03-03-2007
Posted by Jeff on March 5, 2007, 8:49 am
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Jeff wrote:
> In Q Deluxe 2006, is there a way to add new Asset Classes (multiCap,
> Real Estate, Emerging markets, etc.) in addition to the 5-6 preset in
> Quicken? If so, How?
>
> I know you can add Asset "types" but cannot find a way to add Asset
> Classes in Quicken.
>
> Jeff

In case this helps someone else, this is what I decided is the best way to
use Quicken, at least for me.

1. It is best to leave the built in Quicken Asset Classes and use them as
set up by Q despite their obvious deficiencies and limitations. This way
other things like the Asset allocations do not break. I enter my own class
choices when I disagree with Q (too many "others").

2. Since there are no "sub-class" capability in Quicken, I plan to use
"goal" and "type" for these purposes.

3. In Quicken's Investment "Type" I will use
a) in the case of stocks - ST followed by the Morningstar "styleBox"
classification (High Yield, Distressed, Hard Asset, Cyclical, Slow Growth,
Classic Growth, Aggressive Growth and Speculative Growth).
b) For others, I will include items like Mutual Fund, Bond, Market Index, US
Treasury, Other, etc.

4. In Quicken's Investment "Goal" I will use Morningstar's "Style Box" which
it bases on a grid that includes Size, Growth, Value, Emerging Markets,
Global, Fixed Income, REIT, etc.

This leaves the classification into market "sectors" (technology, etc.)
unaddressed but that would seem to be too much for Quicken to handle as it
is presently structured.

I'm no financial guru so this may not be the best way to deal with it but it
is the best I came up with for the short term. Does this sound reasonable
as far as producing meaningful reports? Other ideas and suggestions would be
very welcome.

Jeff








Posted by John Pollard on March 5, 2007, 11:21 am
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Jeff wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> In Q Deluxe 2006, is there a way to add new Asset
>> Classes (multiCap, Real Estate, Emerging markets, etc.)
>> in addition to the 5-6 preset in Quicken? If so, How?
>>
>> I know you can add Asset "types" but cannot find a way
>> to add Asset Classes in Quicken.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> In case this helps someone else, this is what I decided
> is the best way to use Quicken, at least for me.
>
> 1. It is best to leave the built in Quicken Asset Classes
> and use them as set up by Q despite their obvious
> deficiencies and limitations. This way other things like
> the Asset allocations do not break. I enter my own class
> choices when I disagree with Q (too many "others").
> 2. Since there are no "sub-class" capability in Quicken,
> I plan to use "goal" and "type" for these purposes.
>
> 3. In Quicken's Investment "Type" I will use
> a) in the case of stocks - ST followed by the Morningstar
> "styleBox" classification (High Yield, Distressed, Hard
> Asset, Cyclical, Slow Growth, Classic Growth, Aggressive
> Growth and Speculative Growth). b) For others, I will include
> items like Mutual Fund,
> Bond, Market Index, US Treasury, Other, etc.
>
> 4. In Quicken's Investment "Goal" I will use
> Morningstar's "Style Box" which it bases on a grid that
> includes Size, Growth, Value, Emerging Markets, Global,
> Fixed Income, REIT, etc.
> This leaves the classification into market "sectors"
> (technology, etc.) unaddressed but that would seem to be
> too much for Quicken to handle as it is presently
> structured.
> I'm no financial guru so this may not be the best way to
> deal with it but it is the best I came up with for the
> short term. Does this sound reasonable as far as
> producing meaningful reports? Other ideas and suggestions
> would be very welcome.

I suggest some caution in the use of Security Types: certain
Quicken types have built in meaning to Quicken.

For example: on the Portfolio tab, there are column choices for
"Morningstar Rating", "Morningstar Risk", and "Morningstar
Return". Only securities with a Security Type of "Mutual Fund"
will display values in those Morningstar colums.

And the key is not the text that makes up the Security Type: the
key is the position in the original list of Security Types. You
can change the name of "Mutual Fund" to "%%%%" and every
security with a type of "%%%%" will still show Morningstar
values on the Portfolio tab. But change the Type for a true
Mutual Fund to "Stock", or "Bond", or to a new Security Type -
one not present in the basic Quicken list of Security Types
(even if you named the new type "Mutual Fund" - after renaming
the original "Mutual Fund") - and that security will no longer
show Morningstar values.

There may be other such limitations on Security Type, but I
can't think of them at the moment.

--
John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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Posted by Jeff on March 5, 2007, 12:25 pm
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John Pollard wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>> In Q Deluxe 2006, is there a way to add new Asset
>>> Classes (multiCap, Real Estate, Emerging markets, etc.)
>>> in addition to the 5-6 preset in Quicken? If so, How?
>>>
>>> I know you can add Asset "types" but cannot find a way
>>> to add Asset Classes in Quicken.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> In case this helps someone else, this is what I decided
>> is the best way to use Quicken, at least for me.
>>
>> 1. It is best to leave the built in Quicken Asset Classes
>> and use them as set up by Q despite their obvious
>> deficiencies and limitations. This way other things like
>> the Asset allocations do not break. I enter my own class
>> choices when I disagree with Q (too many "others").
>> 2. Since there are no "sub-class" capability in Quicken,
>> I plan to use "goal" and "type" for these purposes.
>>
>> 3. In Quicken's Investment "Type" I will use
>> a) in the case of stocks - ST followed by the Morningstar
>> "styleBox" classification (High Yield, Distressed, Hard
>> Asset, Cyclical, Slow Growth, Classic Growth, Aggressive
>> Growth and Speculative Growth). b) For others, I will include
>> items like Mutual Fund,
>> Bond, Market Index, US Treasury, Other, etc.
>>
>> 4. In Quicken's Investment "Goal" I will use
>> Morningstar's "Style Box" which it bases on a grid that
>> includes Size, Growth, Value, Emerging Markets, Global,
>> Fixed Income, REIT, etc.
>> This leaves the classification into market "sectors"
>> (technology, etc.) unaddressed but that would seem to be
>> too much for Quicken to handle as it is presently
>> structured.
>> I'm no financial guru so this may not be the best way to
>> deal with it but it is the best I came up with for the
>> short term. Does this sound reasonable as far as
>> producing meaningful reports? Other ideas and suggestions
>> would be very welcome.
>
> I suggest some caution in the use of Security Types: certain
> Quicken types have built in meaning to Quicken.
>
> For example: on the Portfolio tab, there are column choices for
> "Morningstar Rating", "Morningstar Risk", and "Morningstar
> Return". Only securities with a Security Type of "Mutual Fund"
> will display values in those Morningstar colums.
>
> And the key is not the text that makes up the Security Type: the
> key is the position in the original list of Security Types. You
> can change the name of "Mutual Fund" to "%%%%" and every
> security with a type of "%%%%" will still show Morningstar
> values on the Portfolio tab. But change the Type for a true
> Mutual Fund to "Stock", or "Bond", or to a new Security Type -
> one not present in the basic Quicken list of Security Types
> (even if you named the new type "Mutual Fund" - after renaming
> the original "Mutual Fund") - and that security will no longer
> show Morningstar values.
>
> There may be other such limitations on Security Type, but I
> can't think of them at the moment.

Thank you very much. That is very useful information. I will include that
in my thinking and planning.

> For example: on the Portfolio tab, there are column choices for
> "Morningstar Rating", "Morningstar Risk", and "Morningstar
> Return". Only securities with a Security Type of "Mutual Fund"
> will display values in those Morningstar colums.

Question: Where does Q get the data for those Morningstar columns? Do I have
to tell Q to download them or do they come from the broker (Smith Barney,
Merrill Lynch) when I download transactions?

Thanks for the help.

Jeff



Posted by John Pollard on March 5, 2007, 2:00 pm
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Jeff wrote:

> Question: Where does Q get the data for those Morningstar
> columns? Do I have to tell Q to download them or do they
> come from the broker (Smith Barney, Merrill Lynch) when I
> download transactions?

I am reasonably certain they are downloaded by Quicken. And I
believe they are downloaded with quotes, news, asset classes,
etc.

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John Pollard
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