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Adjust cash balance in investment account. Hank Mack 10-12-2008
Posted by Hank Mack on October 12, 2008, 1:46 pm
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I have a linked cash account with my broker. I need to adjust the cash
balance. Help menu says go to the account which I assume is the
investment account, >enter transactions> update cash balance. I do not
see in the drop down menu that option. What am I missing?

Thanks

Posted by John Pollard on October 12, 2008, 3:29 pm
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Hank Mack wrote:
> I have a linked cash account with my broker. I need to adjust
> the
> cash balance. Help menu says go to the account which I
> assume is the
> investment account, >enter transactions> update cash balance.
> I do
> not see in the drop down menu that option. What am I missing?

I assume you have setup your Quicken investment account with a
linked Quicken cash account.

First: The "Update cash balance" option for investment accounts
is not itself a transaction type: it's a menu choice. It is
found in Investing > Investing Activities > Update Cash Balance.
Completing that menu choice for an investment account will
generate a MiscExp transaction for the account ... which you
could do directly without using the Update Cash Balance option.

But ...

Second: You can not use "Update Cash Balance" in a Quicken
investment account with a linked cash account, because that
investment account can never have a cash balance. Whatever
adjusting you do needs to be done in the Quicken linked cash
account.

[Technically, you could enter a MiscExp (which would
automatically become a MiscExpX) in the investment account. But
that would still adjust the cash balance in the linked cash
account.]

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John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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Posted by Hank Mack on October 12, 2008, 8:34 pm
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John Pollard wrote:
> Hank Mack wrote:
>> I have a linked cash account with my broker. I need to adjust
>> the
>> cash balance. Help menu says go to the account which I
>> assume is the
>> investment account, >enter transactions> update cash balance.
>> I do
>> not see in the drop down menu that option. What am I missing?
>
> I assume you have setup your Quicken investment account with a
> linked Quicken cash account.
>
> First: The "Update cash balance" option for investment accounts
> is not itself a transaction type: it's a menu choice. It is
> found in Investing > Investing Activities > Update Cash Balance.
> Completing that menu choice for an investment account will
> generate a MiscExp transaction for the account ... which you
> could do directly without using the Update Cash Balance option.
>
> But ...
>
> Second: You can not use "Update Cash Balance" in a Quicken
> investment account with a linked cash account, because that
> investment account can never have a cash balance. Whatever
> adjusting you do needs to be done in the Quicken linked cash
> account.
>
> [Technically, you could enter a MiscExp (which would
> automatically become a MiscExpX) in the investment account. But
> that would still adjust the cash balance in the linked cash
> account.]
>
Can I just put in a misc adjustment directly in the cash account without
effecting the investment account?

Posted by John Pollard on October 12, 2008, 9:10 pm
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Hank Mack wrote:
> John Pollard wrote:
>> Hank Mack wrote:
>>> I have a linked cash account with my broker. I need to
>>> adjust
>>> the
>>> cash balance. Help menu says go to the account which I
>>> assume is the
>>> investment account, >enter transactions> update cash
>>> balance.
>>> I do
>>> not see in the drop down menu that option. What am I
>>> missing?
>>
>> I assume you have setup your Quicken investment account with
>> a
>> linked Quicken cash account.
>>
>> First: The "Update cash balance" option for investment
>> accounts
>> is not itself a transaction type: it's a menu choice. It is
>> found in Investing > Investing Activities > Update Cash
>> Balance.
>> Completing that menu choice for an investment account will
>> generate a MiscExp transaction for the account ... which you
>> could do directly without using the Update Cash Balance
>> option.
>>
>> But ...
>>
>> Second: You can not use "Update Cash Balance" in a Quicken
>> investment account with a linked cash account, because that
>> investment account can never have a cash balance. Whatever
>> adjusting you do needs to be done in the Quicken linked cash
>> account.
>>
>> [Technically, you could enter a MiscExp (which would
>> automatically become a MiscExpX) in the investment account.
>> But
>> that would still adjust the cash balance in the linked cash
>> account.]
>>
> Can I just put in a misc adjustment directly in the cash
> account
> without effecting the investment account?

No offense intended, but I think you are misunderstanding what
is happening.

Yes, you can enter a transaction in the linked cash account and
it will not "appear" in the investment account. But it will
affect the cash balance that Quicken associates to the
investment account. Presumably that is what you want to happen;
presumably that is what happened in the real world.

Quicken's "linked cash account" was (I believe) intended to
handle a situation that was occurring in the real world that
Quicken could not, otherwise, have easily handled: namely,
writing checks from investment accounts. I think it is a sort
of "gimmick" to allow users to enter "checking account type
transactions" whose impact would ultimately fall on the
associated investment account.

Newer versions of Quicken allow you to write checks, and make
other "bank account" type transactions directly in your Quicken
investment accounts ... without the need for a "linked cash
account". A much better approach, in my opinion.

If that does not describe what happened in your real world, you
would need to supply more information.

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John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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Posted by Hank Mack on October 13, 2008, 8:45 am
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John Pollard wrote:
> Hank Mack wrote:
>> John Pollard wrote:
>>> Hank Mack wrote:
>>>> I have a linked cash account with my broker. I need to
>>>> adjust
>>>> the
>>>> cash balance. Help menu says go to the account which I
>>>> assume is the
>>>> investment account, >enter transactions> update cash
>>>> balance.
>>>> I do
>>>> not see in the drop down menu that option. What am I
>>>> missing?
>>> I assume you have setup your Quicken investment account with
>>> a
>>> linked Quicken cash account.
>>>
>>> First: The "Update cash balance" option for investment
>>> accounts
>>> is not itself a transaction type: it's a menu choice. It is
>>> found in Investing > Investing Activities > Update Cash
>>> Balance.
>>> Completing that menu choice for an investment account will
>>> generate a MiscExp transaction for the account ... which you
>>> could do directly without using the Update Cash Balance
>>> option.
>>>
>>> But ...
>>>
>>> Second: You can not use "Update Cash Balance" in a Quicken
>>> investment account with a linked cash account, because that
>>> investment account can never have a cash balance. Whatever
>>> adjusting you do needs to be done in the Quicken linked cash
>>> account.
>>>
>>> [Technically, you could enter a MiscExp (which would
>>> automatically become a MiscExpX) in the investment account.
>>> But
>>> that would still adjust the cash balance in the linked cash
>>> account.]
>>>
>> Can I just put in a misc adjustment directly in the cash
>> account
>> without effecting the investment account?
>
> No offense intended, but I think you are misunderstanding what
> is happening.
>
> Yes, you can enter a transaction in the linked cash account and
> it will not "appear" in the investment account. But it will
> affect the cash balance that Quicken associates to the
> investment account. Presumably that is what you want to happen;
> presumably that is what happened in the real world.
>
> Quicken's "linked cash account" was (I believe) intended to
> handle a situation that was occurring in the real world that
> Quicken could not, otherwise, have easily handled: namely,
> writing checks from investment accounts. I think it is a sort
> of "gimmick" to allow users to enter "checking account type
> transactions" whose impact would ultimately fall on the
> associated investment account.
>
> Newer versions of Quicken allow you to write checks, and make
> other "bank account" type transactions directly in your Quicken
> investment accounts ... without the need for a "linked cash
> account". A much better approach, in my opinion.
>
> If that does not describe what happened in your real world, you
> would need to supply more information.
>
Thank you. So I guess it would be better to unlink the accounts and
then and then debit or credit investment cash events in the cash account
as they occure,

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