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After upgrading q2004H&B to Q2006H&B: jo 01-11-2007
Posted by jo on January 11, 2007, 12:31 am
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It took me a while because of registration problems at Quicken.com, but
I managed to complete the above upgrade yesterday. Several things
stand out or are questions, not all because of the upgrade.

NB. I ran Validate and SuperValidate on my Q2004 file copy prior to
upgrading, with no error messages

1) the QDFfile has shrunk by almost half in q2006. I don't appear to
have lost functionality or data, but am wondering if this is an
expected result of the conversion (and why)

2) it is slow as molasses. Now mind you, I have an obsolete machine
and am running under Win ME (please, no comments. I was running Q2004
under it too without so much shuddering as it did its business, and yes
I do plan to upgrade both hardware and software). Is it known for
being slow? I really do get screen shuddering during certain
calculations. I've got 512MB ram and plenty of free drive space.

3)This is a carryover from q2004 question. On my portfolio I am
seeing 5 year return figures for my mutual funds but not for anything
else that is held by a different broker. I definitely have
transactions against many of these securities that date back past 5
years, particularly buys. Why isn't Quicken picking this up?

4)Another big carryover problem. Ihave been unable to invoice new
clients for many months now. I hoped the problem would go away in
Q2006, but it remains. If a client had been sucessfully added and
invoiced at a certain point, which I can't identify, i can invoice
them, but no new clients can be added. When I make the invoice up and
click Save and Done, I get into a loop that says something like Name
already in the address book, press Update to modify. Doing the
latter, even though it shouldn't be necessary in the first place,
brings me back to the same screen. There is no way to exit it except
to cancel and cancel the invoice. Intuitively I felt there must be
some corruption in the address book, but Validation and Super
Validation have not found it. Has anyone ever heard of this problem
or have a suggestion for how I can trouble shoot it? Sending the
problem to Intuit has gotten me nothing but canned answers having
nothing to do with the problem and finally the suggestion to Super
Validate. Can I try anything else?

5) I wanted to use the Tax Planner to get a rough idea of my 2006 tax
situation, but although it says it is working on year 2006, it is
pulling data from god knows where, certainly notmy 2006 transactions,
and the subtotals make no sense whatsoever. Do I have to so something
like temporarily change the system date on the computer to trick it
into "planning" Q2006's tax situation?

Thanks for any and all answers, particularly about (4). This is
causing me major headaches.


Posted by John Pollard on January 11, 2007, 11:25 am
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jo wrote:

> 3) This is a carryover from q2004 question. On my
> portfolio I am seeing 5 year return figures for my mutual
> funds but not for anything else that is held by a
> different broker. I definitely have transactions against
> many of these securities that date back past 5 years,
> particularly buys. Why isn't Quicken picking this up?

Make sure the account and the securities are selected for the
display/report. (On the Portfolio tab, every "View" has its own
customization.)

> 4) Another big carryover problem. Ihave been unable to
> invoice new clients for many months now. I hoped the
> problem would go away in Q2006, but it remains. If a
> client had been sucessfully added and invoiced at a
> certain point, which I can't identify, i can invoice
> them, but no new clients can be added. When I make the
> invoice up and click Save and Done, I get into a loop
> that says something like Name already in the address
> book, press Update to modify. Doing the latter, even
> though it shouldn't be necessary in the first place,
> brings me back to the same screen. There is no way to
> exit it except to cancel and cancel the invoice.
> Intuitively I felt there must be some corruption in the
> address book, but Validation and Super Validation have
> not found it. Has anyone ever heard of this problem or
> have a suggestion for how I can trouble shoot it?
> Sending the problem to Intuit has gotten me nothing but
> canned answers having nothing to do with the problem and
> finally the suggestion to Super Validate. Can I try
> anything else?

Have you tried entering the new customer in the address book
before you try entering an invoice for them?

I was going to also suggest exporting/deleting/importing your
address book, but in my testing today (Q2004H&B), I have been
unable to export the address book. I know it can be done, I
have a couple of old .csv files sitting on my hard drive from
previous exports ... but was unsuccessful this morning.

You can "print" the address book to a tab delimited file and
Quicken will import a tab delimted file into the address book
... but I think you would have to be extremely careful about the
formatting of the report and the subsequent import.

If planning to try this, I would definitely backup first.

--
John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
Please reply to newsgroup



Posted by jo on January 11, 2007, 2:10 pm
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John Pollard wrote:
> jo wrote:
>
> > 3) This is a carryover from q2004 question. On my
> > portfolio I am seeing 5 year return figures for my mutual
> > funds but not for anything else that is held by a
> > different broker. I definitely have transactions against
> > many of these securities that date back past 5 years,
> > particularly buys. Why isn't Quicken picking this up?
>
> Make sure the account and the securities are selected for the
> display/report. (On the Portfolio tab, every "View" has its own
> customization.)

It's one View for the entire portfolio, so I would assume that the
options I've selected that allow me to see 5 year returns on one
brokerage would apply to the other. Correct me if I've missed
something. (if it matters, this is not a report. I just go to
Portfolio). The view has been my customized view for years. Is it
possible that Quicken is interpreting the length of time I've had this
particular brokerage as the holding time for the securities within it?
That would seem very illogical, but it's a little too coincidental to
ignore that I'm just short of the 5 year mark with this brokerage. I
transfered many long term holdings into it.


>
> > 4) Another big carryover problem. Ihave been unable to
> > invoice new clients for many months now. I hoped the
> > problem would go away in Q2006, but it remains. If a
> > client had been sucessfully added and invoiced at a
> > certain point, which I can't identify, i can invoice
> > them, but no new clients can be added. When I make the
> > invoice up and click Save and Done, I get into a loop
> > that says something like Name already in the address
> > book, press Update to modify. Doing the latter, even
> > though it shouldn't be necessary in the first place,
> > brings me back to the same screen. There is no way to
> > exit it except to cancel and cancel the invoice.
> > Intuitively I felt there must be some corruption in the
> > address book, but Validation and Super Validation have
> > not found it. Has anyone ever heard of this problem or
> > have a suggestion for how I can trouble shoot it?
> > Sending the problem to Intuit has gotten me nothing but
> > canned answers having nothing to do with the problem and
> > finally the suggestion to Super Validate. Can I try
> > anything else?
>
> Have you tried entering the new customer in the address book
> before you try entering an invoice for them?
>

Yes. Same problem


> I was going to also suggest exporting/deleting/importing your
> address book, but in my testing today (Q2004H&B), I have been
> unable to export the address book. I know it can be done, I
> have a couple of old .csv files sitting on my hard drive from
> previous exports ... but was unsuccessful this morning.
>

I did export from Q2004H&B once to something, forget what, but it
didn't show me anything. I suspect the ramifications of trying to
delete the address book would stop me. Wouldn't Quicken balk at
deleting any name currently referenced by an invoice? That would be
my assumption, but I haven't tried it.



> You can "print" the address book to a tab delimited file and
> Quicken will import a tab delimted file into the address book
> ... but I think you would have to be extremely careful about the
> formatting of the report and the subsequent import.
>
> If planning to try this, I would definitely backup first.


I haven't taken this further because of my suspicions that even if I
could export/import, I wouldn't be able to successfully delete. I'm
not sure that Quicken could relink an imported address book with the
invoices that reference the clients. Again, I haven't tried this and
definitely would backup first.

What about the file size, John? Is that dramatic reduction inthe QDF
file betwen 2004 and 2006 to be expected?

jo


>
> --
> John Pollard
> First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
> Please reply to newsgroup


Posted by John Pollard on January 11, 2007, 3:07 pm
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jo wrote:
> John Pollard wrote:
>> jo wrote:
>>
>>> 3) This is a carryover from q2004 question. On my
>>> portfolio I am seeing 5 year return figures for my
>>> mutual funds but not for anything else that is held by a
>>> different broker. I definitely have transactions
>>> against many of these securities that date back past 5
>>> years, particularly buys. Why isn't Quicken picking
>>> this up?
>>
>> Make sure the account and the securities are selected
>> for the display/report. (On the Portfolio tab, every
>> "View" has its own customization.)
>
> It's one View for the entire portfolio, so I would assume
> that the options I've selected that allow me to see 5
> year returns on one brokerage would apply to the other.

No. Each account can be selected to appear/not-appear in each
Portfolio tab view. Customize the view (Options > Customize
this view), and look in the account list.

> Correct me if I've missed something. (if it matters,
> this is not a report. I just go to Portfolio). The view
> has been my customized view for years. Is it possible
> that Quicken is interpreting the length of time I've had
> this particular brokerage as the holding time for the
> securities within it? That would seem very illogical, but
> it's a little too coincidental to ignore that I'm just
> short of the 5 year mark with this brokerage. I
> transfered many long term holdings into it.
>
>
>>
>>> 4) Another big carryover problem. Ihave been unable to
>>> invoice new clients for many months now. I hoped the
>>> problem would go away in Q2006, but it remains. If a
>>> client had been sucessfully added and invoiced at a
>>> certain point, which I can't identify, i can invoice
>>> them, but no new clients can be added. When I make the
>>> invoice up and click Save and Done, I get into a loop
>>> that says something like Name already in the address
>>> book, press Update to modify. Doing the latter, even
>>> though it shouldn't be necessary in the first place,
>>> brings me back to the same screen. There is no way to
>>> exit it except to cancel and cancel the invoice.
>>> Intuitively I felt there must be some corruption in the
>>> address book, but Validation and Super Validation have
>>> not found it. Has anyone ever heard of this problem or
>>> have a suggestion for how I can trouble shoot it?
>>> Sending the problem to Intuit has gotten me nothing but
>>> canned answers having nothing to do with the problem and
>>> finally the suggestion to Super Validate. Can I try
>>> anything else?
>>
>> Have you tried entering the new customer in the address
>> book before you try entering an invoice for them?
>>

> Yes. Same problem

You're saying that when you try to add a new name to the Address
Book, you get a message saying that name is already in the
Address Book?

Does the same thing happen if you add another type of
name/address (Vendor, QuickFill, etc.)?

How many entries do you have in your Address Book. (Open the
address book and display the "Group", "<All Groups>" ... the
count is alongside the "<All Groups>" choice.)

>> I was going to also suggest exporting/deleting/importing
>> your address book, but in my testing today (Q2004H&B), I
>> have been unable to export the address book. I know it
>> can be done, I have a couple of old .csv files sitting
>> on my hard drive from previous exports ... but was
>> unsuccessful this morning.


> I did export from Q2004H&B once to something, forget
> what, but it didn't show me anything. I suspect the
> ramifications of trying to delete the address book would
> stop me. Wouldn't Quicken balk at deleting any name
> currently referenced by an invoice? That would be my
> assumption, but I haven't tried it.


>> You can "print" the address book to a tab delimited file
>> and Quicken will import a tab delimted file into the
>> address book ... but I think you would have to be
>> extremely careful about the formatting of the report and
>> the subsequent import.
>>
>> If planning to try this, I would definitely backup first.
>

> I haven't taken this further because of my suspicions
> that even if I could export/import, I wouldn't be able to
> successfully delete.

Quicken doesn't seem to care.

> I'm not sure that Quicken could
> relink an imported address book with the invoices that
> reference the clients.

I didn't test this, but you can. The names are going to be
spelled the same, so it should be possible. Nothing ventured,
nothing gained. (I honestly don't place a high probabilty on it
solving your problem, but if the results aren't satisfactory,
you just revert to your backup.)

> Again, I haven't tried this and
> definitely would backup first.
>
> What about the file size, John? Is that dramatic
> reduction inthe QDF file betwen 2004 and 2006 to be
> expected?

My conversion was from Q2005 (and Q2002, as well); I never even
looked at the differences between file sizes, so I have no idea
what to expect. I also never noticed any problems. I should
add that I did not convert from, or to, a Home & Business
version of Quicken: the main conversion was from Q2005 Deluxe to
Q2006 Premier. I only have Q2004H&B around because I wanted to
see if I could use a H&B version ... decided I didn't need it.

--

John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
Please reply to newsgroup



Posted by jo on January 14, 2007, 2:53 pm
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John,

You just gave me the incentive to solve a crippling problem in Quicken.
I did export the address book to EXCEL and while I couldn't quite tell
what the format was supposed to be, it was clear that there were things
out of place. I cleaned it up, took a deep breath, deleted my address
book (from a copy) and imported back. There was only one screwy
entry, which I fixed. Then going for the gold: I made a new invoice
for a non existant person and lo and behold, it saved properly. I am
in heaven. This has messed up my billing so badly that people are
annoyed, and I just haven't had the guts or time to experiment the way
I used to. You didn't even think it would work, but it did.
Obviously there was some corruption that Validate and Super Validate
couldn't detect. Who knows what, and I don't care!

Now as to the other issues: In my Portfolio view, it isn't that one
account is hidden or configured differently. All my accounts are in
the View, but only one shows 5 year returns. Both of them show 1, and
3 year returns. I can't think of what could cause this. Can you?

John Pollard wrote:
> jo wrote:
> > John Pollard wrote:
> >> jo wrote:
> >>
> >>> 3) This is a carryover from q2004 question. On my
> >>> portfolio I am seeing 5 year return figures for my
> >>> mutual funds but not for anything else that is held by a
> >>> different broker. I definitely have transactions
> >>> against many of these securities that date back past 5
> >>> years, particularly buys. Why isn't Quicken picking
> >>> this up?
> >>
> >> Make sure the account and the securities are selected
> >> for the display/report. (On the Portfolio tab, every
> >> "View" has its own customization.)
> >
> > It's one View for the entire portfolio, so I would assume
> > that the options I've selected that allow me to see 5
> > year returns on one brokerage would apply to the other.
>
> No. Each account can be selected to appear/not-appear in each
> Portfolio tab view. Customize the view (Options > Customize
> this view), and look in the account list.
>
> > Correct me if I've missed something. (if it matters,
> > this is not a report. I just go to Portfolio). The view
> > has been my customized view for years. Is it possible
> > that Quicken is interpreting the length of time I've had
> > this particular brokerage as the holding time for the
> > securities within it? That would seem very illogical, but
> > it's a little too coincidental to ignore that I'm just
> > short of the 5 year mark with this brokerage. I
> > transfered many long term holdings into it.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> 4) Another big carryover problem. Ihave been unable to
> >>> invoice new clients for many months now. I hoped the
> >>> problem would go away in Q2006, but it remains. If a
> >>> client had been sucessfully added and invoiced at a
> >>> certain point, which I can't identify, i can invoice
> >>> them, but no new clients can be added. When I make the
> >>> invoice up and click Save and Done, I get into a loop
> >>> that says something like Name already in the address
> >>> book, press Update to modify. Doing the latter, even
> >>> though it shouldn't be necessary in the first place,
> >>> brings me back to the same screen. There is no way to
> >>> exit it except to cancel and cancel the invoice.
> >>> Intuitively I felt there must be some corruption in the
> >>> address book, but Validation and Super Validation have
> >>> not found it. Has anyone ever heard of this problem or
> >>> have a suggestion for how I can trouble shoot it?
> >>> Sending the problem to Intuit has gotten me nothing but
> >>> canned answers having nothing to do with the problem and
> >>> finally the suggestion to Super Validate. Can I try
> >>> anything else?
> >>
> >> Have you tried entering the new customer in the address
> >> book before you try entering an invoice for them?
> >>
>
> > Yes. Same problem
>
> You're saying that when you try to add a new name to the Address
> Book, you get a message saying that name is already in the
> Address Book?
>
> Does the same thing happen if you add another type of
> name/address (Vendor, QuickFill, etc.)?
>
> How many entries do you have in your Address Book. (Open the
> address book and display the "Group", "<All Groups>" ... the
> count is alongside the "<All Groups>" choice.)
>
> >> I was going to also suggest exporting/deleting/importing
> >> your address book, but in my testing today (Q2004H&B), I
> >> have been unable to export the address book. I know it
> >> can be done, I have a couple of old .csv files sitting
> >> on my hard drive from previous exports ... but was
> >> unsuccessful this morning.
>
>
> > I did export from Q2004H&B once to something, forget
> > what, but it didn't show me anything. I suspect the
> > ramifications of trying to delete the address book would
> > stop me. Wouldn't Quicken balk at deleting any name
> > currently referenced by an invoice? That would be my
> > assumption, but I haven't tried it.
>
>
> >> You can "print" the address book to a tab delimited file
> >> and Quicken will import a tab delimted file into the
> >> address book ... but I think you would have to be
> >> extremely careful about the formatting of the report and
> >> the subsequent import.
> >>
> >> If planning to try this, I would definitely backup first.
> >
>
> > I haven't taken this further because of my suspicions
> > that even if I could export/import, I wouldn't be able to
> > successfully delete.
>
> Quicken doesn't seem to care.
>
> > I'm not sure that Quicken could
> > relink an imported address book with the invoices that
> > reference the clients.
>
> I didn't test this, but you can. The names are going to be
> spelled the same, so it should be possible. Nothing ventured,
> nothing gained. (I honestly don't place a high probabilty on it
> solving your problem, but if the results aren't satisfactory,
> you just revert to your backup.)
>
> > Again, I haven't tried this and
> > definitely would backup first.
> >
> > What about the file size, John? Is that dramatic
> > reduction inthe QDF file betwen 2004 and 2006 to be
> > expected?
>
> My conversion was from Q2005 (and Q2002, as well); I never even
> looked at the differences between file sizes, so I have no idea
> what to expect. I also never noticed any problems. I should
> add that I did not convert from, or to, a Home & Business
> version of Quicken: the main conversion was from Q2005 Deluxe to
> Q2006 Premier. I only have Q2004H&B around because I wanted to
> see if I could use a H&B version ... decided I didn't need it.
>
> --
>
> John Pollard
> First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
> Please reply to newsgroup


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