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American Funds : Need to combine in Quicken Tivo'ed 10-23-2006
Posted by Phil Schuman on November 7, 2006, 4:39 pm
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yeah - there are some fund companies that track their funds as separate
accounts.
Therefore, Quicken is forced to setup as SMF (single fund) vs multiple
funds.

I'm wrestling with the same issue with my T. Rowe funds - all separate
accounts.
even with an overall "investor account number"
they can't seem to get past the single fund --> single account

I would suspect if you open a higher level account - like an overall
brokerage account,
then the mutual fund accounts could be inserted into that higher
account.
There have been similar msgs over in the Quicken website/forum for
years,
but no update or solutions...

Weird - in that Fidelity & Vanguard accounts figured out the
logistics....
to create an "investor" account, and insert the mutual funds into that
account.



Posted by John Pollard on November 7, 2006, 5:22 pm
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"Phil Schuman" wrote
> yeah - there are some fund companies that track their funds as
> separate
> accounts.

> Therefore, Quicken is forced to setup as SMF (single fund)
> vs multiple funds.

I don't believe this is quite true.

There is a difference between having to setup one Quicken
investment account for each mutual fund and having to setup one
Quicken Single Mutual Fund account for each mutual fund.

Can you confirm from documentation, or personal experience, that
your fi (or Quicken) required that you use Quicken Single Mutual
Fund accounts ... or is it just that you need a separate Quicken
investment account for each fund for some financial
institutions?

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Posted by Phil Schuman on November 7, 2006, 7:51 pm
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> "Phil Schuman" wrote
> > yeah - there are some fund companies that track their funds as
> > separate
> > accounts.
>
> > Therefore, Quicken is forced to setup as SMF (single fund)
> > vs multiple funds.
>
> I don't believe this is quite true.
>
> There is a difference between having to setup one Quicken
> investment account for each mutual fund and having to setup one
> Quicken Single Mutual Fund account for each mutual fund.
>
> Can you confirm from documentation, or personal experience, that
> your fi (or Quicken) required that you use Quicken Single Mutual
> Fund accounts ... or is it just that you need a separate Quicken
> investment account for each fund for some financial
> institutions?
>
>
hi -
Not sure I understand what you are getting at ?
With our T.Rowe portfolio -
each mutual fund @ TRP has an account number
that is NOT related to any account family or other accounts...
Therefore - within Quicken, there is no way to point at TRP
and say download this "family" of accounts.
Each mutual fund appears in a separate Quicken account,
and each account has only ONE sub-account for that mutual fund.
I can reset the Quicken field from SMF to MMF,
but Quicken won't allow me to add a TRP into that account
as it complains that each TRP account must be unique.



Posted by John Pollard on November 7, 2006, 10:34 pm
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> Not sure I understand what you are getting at ?
> With our T.Rowe portfolio -
> each mutual fund @ TRP has an account number
> that is NOT related to any account family or other accounts...
> Therefore - within Quicken, there is no way to point at TRP
> and say download this "family" of accounts.
> Each mutual fund appears in a separate Quicken account,
> and each account has only ONE sub-account for that mutual
> fund.
> I can reset the Quicken field from SMF to MMF,
> but Quicken won't allow me to add a TRP into that account
> as it complains that each TRP account must be unique.

I can say it again, but I'm not sure I can get it any clearer.

I am suggesting that there should be no difference if you
download each mutual fund to a separate Quicken "Brokerage"
account, or if you download each mutual fund to a separate
Quicken "Single Mutual Fund" account.

I am suggesting that I believe the only requirement is that
there be a separate Quicken account for each fund held at the
financial institution ... that the neither the financial
institution, nor Quicken, cares whether the Quicken account type
is "Brokerage" or "Single Mutual Fund".

There is good reason to consider this, as Single Mutual Fund
accounts have significant restrictions on the activities they
will permit. One example: you can not do a Corporate
Acquisition in a Single Mutual Fund account ... and a Corporate
Acquisition is the recommended method for handling certain
mutual fund actions where, say, "B" type fund shares are
"converted" to "A" type fund shares.

There have also been a few strange problems thought to be linked
to Single Mutual Fund accounts - sorry I do not recall them at
the moment; but the net effect of it all is that I, personally,
will never use a Single Mutual Fund account unless I am
absolutely required to do do.



Posted by Phil Schuman on November 8, 2006, 8:55 am
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ok - we're tripping over the abstract....

real world - at TRP... each mutual fund is setup as an account.
In our case, we don't have any other Brokerage account
or umbrella account setup - just each individual mutual fund account.
There are currently 7 funds setup in the portfolio.

Now - working within Quicken to setup the account/s.
On a test system, I can delete all the TRP accounts & start over.
What should be the steps to setup these accounts ?
Do the usual online steps..
1 - Click Add New Account
2 - Select TRP from financial institution list
(TRP vs the TRP Brokerage vs the TRP Retirement)
3 - checkmark Online setup
4 - enter Cust ID & password for online access
5 - now the 7 accounts are listed by acct number with <Select an
account>

At this point you can only really select "Add a new account in Quicken".
If you try to only setup 1 account, and then somehow re-use that account
for mutiple funds, Quicken won't let you and displays an error/warning
message.

So - I don't see the logistics of how - with only having TRP funds - you
can get around this..



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