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Annuity Deposit Setup Steve 09-07-2008
Posted by Steve on September 7, 2008, 1:24 pm
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I need some advise on how to properly setup a split scheduled deposit for a
small monthly annuity deposit for $250. I've tried difference ways, it
seemed simple until I tried to do it. Within Q09 I have an Investment
Account (Company A) that was annuitized to a cash balance of +$40,000. Each
month I am receiving a direct depost from Company A for $250 deposited to my
Checking Account.

I receive $250 (gross distribution) of which $150 (taxable amount) and $100
(non taxable distribution). What should my Split Transaction window
reflect.

Category
Line 1. [Company A] +$250 (Set as transfer from account [Company A]
tax line item "Out:1099-R:Total IRA gross distrib.")
Line 2. Annuity Adjustment -$250 (Category I added for lack of knowedge to
make the numbers work.)
Line 3. Annuity Taxable +$150 (Set for tax line item 1099-R:Total IRA
taxable distrib.)
Line 4. Annuity Non Tax +$100

When I run the Banking Summary Report for two deposits I get:

Income:
Annuity
Annuity Adjustment -$500
Annuity Non Tax +$200
Total Annuity: -$300
Total Income: -$300

Does this make sense?

Thanks,

Steve




Posted by John Pollard on September 7, 2008, 2:32 pm
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Steve wrote:
> I need some advise on how to properly setup a split scheduled
> deposit
> for a small monthly annuity deposit for $250. I've tried
> difference
> ways, it seemed simple until I tried to do it. Within Q09 I
> have an
> Investment Account (Company A) that was annuitized to a cash
> balance
> of +$40,000. Each month I am receiving a direct depost from
> Company
> A for $250 deposited to my Checking Account.
>
> I receive $250 (gross distribution) of which $150 (taxable
> amount)
> and $100 (non taxable distribution). What should my Split
> Transaction window reflect.
>
> Category
> Line 1. [Company A] +$250 (Set as transfer from
> account
> [Company A] tax line item "Out:1099-R:Total IRA gross
> distrib.")
> Line 2. Annuity Adjustment -$250 (Category I added for lack of
> knowedge to make the numbers work.)
> Line 3. Annuity Taxable +$150 (Set for tax line item
> 1099-R:Total IRA taxable distrib.)
> Line 4. Annuity Non Tax +$100
>
> When I run the Banking Summary Report for two deposits I get:
>
> Income:
> Annuity
> Annuity Adjustment -$500
> Annuity Non Tax +$200
> Total Annuity: -$300
> Total Income: -$300
>
> Does this make sense?

Not to me.

First, the math doesn't work: -500 +200 -300 doesn't equal -300.
I think you left out the Annuity:Taxable amount of +300.

Second, if you want the Category "Annuity" to represent the
total amount of your Annuity payments, you can't include the
"adjustment" category under it (or you at least need to exclude
the adjustment category from the report).

Third, you could replace the Annuity Adjustment with a
"category" of [MyCheckingAccount] (where MyCheckingAccount is
the name of your Quicken checking account), which would be a
transfer back into the checking account. It will have same
effect on the transaction as your adjustment category, and it
will be excluded from the Income/Expense report by default (as
an "internal" transfer).

You'll have to handle the transfer FROM the annuity account
separately in reports, but since you didn't include it in your
post, I assume you are already handling it to your satisfaction.

Others here may have an even better way to approach this.

--

John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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Posted by Steve on September 7, 2008, 11:35 pm
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John,

That did it... I changed it to:

Category
Line 1. [Company A] +$250 (Set as transfer from account [Company A]
tax line item "Out:1099-Total IRA gross distrib.")
Line 2. [Checking Account] -$250
Line 3. Annuity Taxable +$150 (Set for tax line item 1099-R:Total IRA
taxable distrib.)
Line 4. Annuity Non Tax +$100

Now the Banking Summary Report reflect the proper income and the Tax Report
is reporting correctly also. Thanks for getting me on track.

Steve

> Steve wrote:
>> I need some advise on how to properly setup a split scheduled deposit
>> for a small monthly annuity deposit for $250. I've tried difference
>> ways, it seemed simple until I tried to do it. Within Q09 I have an
>> Investment Account (Company A) that was annuitized to a cash balance
>> of +$40,000. Each month I am receiving a direct depost from Company
>> A for $250 deposited to my Checking Account.
>>
>> I receive $250 (gross distribution) of which $150 (taxable amount)
>> and $100 (non taxable distribution). What should my Split
>> Transaction window reflect.
>>
>> Category
>> Line 1. [Company A] +$250 (Set as transfer from account
>> [Company A] tax line item "Out:1099-R:Total IRA gross distrib.")
>> Line 2. Annuity Adjustment -$250 (Category I added for lack of
>> knowedge to make the numbers work.)
>> Line 3. Annuity Taxable +$150 (Set for tax line item
>> 1099-R:Total IRA taxable distrib.)
>> Line 4. Annuity Non Tax +$100
>>
>> When I run the Banking Summary Report for two deposits I get:
>>
>> Income:
>> Annuity
>> Annuity Adjustment -$500
>> Annuity Non Tax +$200
>> Total Annuity: -$300
>> Total Income: -$300
>>
>> Does this make sense?
>
> Not to me.
>
> First, the math doesn't work: -500 +200 -300 doesn't equal -300. I think
> you left out the Annuity:Taxable amount of +300.
>
> Second, if you want the Category "Annuity" to represent the total amount
> of your Annuity payments, you can't include the "adjustment" category
> under it (or you at least need to exclude the adjustment category from the
> report).
>
> Third, you could replace the Annuity Adjustment with a "category" of
> [MyCheckingAccount] (where MyCheckingAccount is the name of your Quicken
> checking account), which would be a transfer back into the checking
> account. It will have same effect on the transaction as your adjustment
> category, and it will be excluded from the Income/Expense report by
> default (as an "internal" transfer).
>
> You'll have to handle the transfer FROM the annuity account separately in
> reports, but since you didn't include it in your post, I assume you are
> already handling it to your satisfaction.
>
> Others here may have an even better way to approach this.
>
> --
>
> John Pollard
> First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
> Please reply to newsgroup
>



Posted by JM on September 9, 2008, 9:18 pm
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> John,
>
> That did it... I changed it to:
>
> Category
> Line 1. [Company A] =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0+$250 (Set as transfer from accoun=
t [Company A]
> tax line item "Out:1099-Total IRA gross distrib.")
> Line 2. [Checking Account] -$250
> Line 3. Annuity Taxable =A0 =A0 +$150 (Set for tax line item 1099-R:Total=
IRA
> taxable distrib.)
> Line 4. Annuity Non Tax =A0 =A0 +$100
>
> Now the Banking Summary Report reflect the proper income and the Tax Repo=
rt
> is reporting correctly also. =A0Thanks for getting me on track.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> > Steve wrote:
> >> I need some advise on how to properly setup a split scheduled deposit
> >> for a small monthly annuity deposit for $250. =A0I've tried difference
> >> ways, it seemed simple until I tried to do it. =A0Within Q09 I have an
> >> Investment Account (Company A) that was annuitized to a cash balance
> >> of +$40,000. =A0Each month I am receiving a direct depost from Company
> >> A for $250 deposited to my Checking Account.
>
> >> I receive $250 (gross distribution) of which $150 (taxable amount)
> >> and $100 (non taxable distribution). =A0What should my Split
> >> Transaction window reflect.
>
> >> Category
> >> Line 1. [Company A] =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 +$250 (Set as transfer from accoun=
t
> >> [Company A] tax line item "Out:1099-R:Total IRA gross distrib.")
> >> Line 2. Annuity Adjustment -$250 (Category I added for lack of
> >> knowedge to make the numbers work.)
> >> Line 3. Annuity Taxable =A0 =A0 =A0+$150 (Set for tax line item
> >> 1099-R:Total IRA taxable distrib.)
> >> Line 4. Annuity Non Tax =A0 =A0 +$100
>
> >> When I run the Banking Summary Report for two deposits I get:
>
> >> Income:
> >> Annuity
> >> =A0 =A0Annuity Adjustment =A0-$500
> >> =A0 =A0Annuity Non Tax =A0 =A0 +$200
> >> =A0 Total Annuity: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -$300
> >> Total Income: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-$300
>
> >> Does this make sense?
>
> > Not to me.
>
> > First, the math doesn't work: -500 +200 -300 doesn't equal -300. I thin=
k
> > you left out the Annuity:Taxable amount of +300.
>
> > Second, if you want the Category "Annuity" to represent the total amoun=
t
> > of your Annuity payments, you can't include the "adjustment" category
> > under it (or you at least need to exclude the adjustment category from =
the
> > report).
>
> > Third, you could replace the Annuity Adjustment with a "category" of
> > [MyCheckingAccount] (where MyCheckingAccount is the name of your Quicke=
n
> > checking account), which would be a transfer back into the checking
> > account. =A0It will have same effect on the transaction as your adjustm=
ent
> > category, and it will be excluded from the Income/Expense report by
> > default (as an "internal" transfer).
>
> > You'll have to handle the transfer FROM the annuity account separately =
in
> > reports, but since you didn't include it in your post, I assume you are
> > already handling it to your satisfaction.
>
> > Others here may have an even better way to approach this.
>
> > --
>
> > John Pollard
> > First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
> > Please reply to newsgroup- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Steve/John

Was intrigued with the clever work-around to handle the taxable/non-
taxable split distribution.

Went to a test file and duplicated your entries. Checked the Tax
Schedule Report and everything reports correctly there from a tax
reporting standpoint.

However - did notice one strange result in the Projected Cash Flow
[PCF] view [I'm using QW08 Dlx]. The "IN" reports double the
distribution as income; i.e., it sees the transfer and the modified
[taxable and non-taxable] split entries but seems to be missing/
ignoring the "offset"; the "[checking acct]" split entry. Never-the-
less, in "What Left", the ending account balance is correct.

Stepping ahead a month at a time in the PCF view, the incorrect [2x]
income repeats - but the ending account balance is always correct.

Ran a Cash Flow Report [Reports > Banking > Cash Flow] and it is
correct - the taxable and non-taxable split entries report as income.

Do you see similar behavior in the PCF view?

Posted by John Pollard on September 10, 2008, 10:51 am
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JM wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> That did it... I changed it to:
>>
>> Category
>> Line 1. [Company A] +$250 (Set as transfer from account
>> [Company A]
>> tax line item "Out:1099-Total IRA gross distrib.")
>> Line 2. [Checking Account] -$250
>> Line 3. Annuity Taxable +$150 (Set for tax line item
>> 1099-R:Total IRA
>> taxable distrib.)
>> Line 4. Annuity Non Tax +$100
>>
>> Now the Banking Summary Report reflect the proper income and
>> the Tax
>> Report is reporting correctly also. Thanks for getting me on
>> track.



> Steve/John
>
> Was intrigued with the clever work-around to handle the
> taxable/non-
> taxable split distribution.
>
> Went to a test file and duplicated your entries. Checked the
> Tax
> Schedule Report and everything reports correctly there from a
> tax
> reporting standpoint.
>
> However - did notice one strange result in the Projected Cash
> Flow
> [PCF] view [I'm using QW08 Dlx]. The "IN" reports double the
> distribution as income; i.e., it sees the transfer and the
> modified
> [taxable and non-taxable] split entries but seems to be
> missing/
> ignoring the "offset"; the "[checking acct]" split entry.
> Never-the-
> less, in "What Left", the ending account balance is correct.
>
> Stepping ahead a month at a time in the PCF view, the
> incorrect [2x]
> income repeats - but the ending account balance is always
> correct.
>
> Ran a Cash Flow Report [Reports > Banking > Cash Flow] and it
> is
> correct - the taxable and non-taxable split entries report as
> income.


> Do you see similar behavior in the PCF view?

Yes.

Not only does the PCF (IN) view not seem to have the ability
(option) to exclude "internal" transfers, but it seems to treat
the offset as a postive number (increasing the asset, increasing
income), rather than a negative number (decreasing cash flow, or
reducing income) as the Cash Flow report treats it if "internal"
transfers are included.

It seems to me the Cash Flow report is treating the offset
correctly, while the Projected Cash Flow is not.

--

John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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