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Anyone have a phone number for the Intuit hucksters? Lisa C 08-07-2006
Posted by slb on August 11, 2006, 12:24 am
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If Steve Jobs said it, it must be true. Of course anything MS says must be a
lie. I'm
not an MS fan. I'm the CIO of a mid-size company with more than 1,000 desktops.
I have
three Macs in my marketing group. I also have a number of IBM I Series servers
(AS400).
They never go down.

Find me a 100% compatible open source replacement for Office and IE and I'll move
everyone over in a heartbeat. Don't give me the current crap of close enough.
I've got
sophisticated users that have extensive macros and VBA code that must convert
seamlessly. I've got a major third-party software implementation project that
uses IE's
engine and ActiveX controls on the client. I've been through the bin of every
alternative we could find. NOTHING WAS 100% compatible.

I also spent several years with a worldwide credit card company. The systems that
couldn't be down --- ran on IBM mainframes. Again the only Macs were in the
advertising
and marketing groups.

I'm off the soapbox. You can't argue with zealots.



Golden California Girls wrote:

> Barnabas Collins wrote:
> > On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:22:53 -0400, Margaret Wilson
> >
> >> HeyBub wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is simply not possible to "have met a lot [of Apple users]"
> >> Well even if I concede on that one (which I don't), it would be another
> >> reason why there's not much software out there for Macs....
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Margaret
> >
> > My understnding is Apple has 10% of the desktop market.
>
> IIRC at WWDC a couple days ago Steve, in the Keynote, said something like Apple
> shipped 17% of all laptops computers and Apple was the only computer
> manufacturer who was shipping more units, everyone else had a decline.
> Obviously Apple is grabbing market share from somebody.
>
> > That having been said Apple if it were smart could bury
> > Microsoft by playing up the advantages of the
> > Mac over the pc (plug and play that works,
> > an OS that doesn't lock up every hour,
> > and viruses/etc. Mac has what one virus now?
> >
> > Apple has one distinct advantage. It ain't
> > Bill Gates with a huge target on his back.
>
> As for which OS has more App's, all the Doze people forget OS X is Unix. Every
> Unix App made since, what the 1950's?, is a Mac App. The sheer number of them
> totally buries Doze.
>
> And for all those I'll never use a Mac people, you better not use a credit card
> then, because the master data center for credit card transactions doesn't have
a
> single Doze machine in it. They can't afford the down time. (more from the
keynote)
>
> As for speed, well the BONIC stats are pretty revealing. After you toss away
> the top couple of machines like AS400's you come to a whole bunch of Power Mac
> machines. Then there is a smattering of Doze machines, just enough to make you
> realize that there is a way to make an Intel chip run fast. Next up are the
> Intel Mac's. Never mind they are clocking 1/2 the speed of the top Doze
> machines, they are way faster. Since there are like 700,000 machines in the
> BONIC stats database it is a pretty good cross section of what's really out
there.
>
> Anyway you'awl party hearty and play safe and god forbid have unprotected
> computer sex if you use Doze!


Posted by Golden California Girls on August 11, 2006, 1:55 am
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slb wrote:
> If Steve Jobs said it, it must be true. Of course anything MS says must be a
lie. I'm
> not an MS fan. I'm the CIO of a mid-size company with more than 1,000
desktops. I have
> three Macs in my marketing group. I also have a number of IBM I Series servers
(AS400).
> They never go down.

Too damn bad Apple never ran that Jan 1986 ad spot again. It says everything
about CIO's and what political pressure they are under. BTW you think Jobs
might know his own sales figures and be able to look up his competitors in a
market research publication?

> Find me a 100% compatible open source replacement for Office and IE and I'll
move
> everyone over in a heartbeat. Don't give me the current crap of close enough.
I've got
> sophisticated users that have extensive macros and VBA code that must convert
> seamlessly. I've got a major third-party software implementation project that
uses IE's
> engine and ActiveX controls on the client. I've been through the bin of every
> alternative we could find. NOTHING WAS 100% compatible.

To be 100% compatible it would have to violate copyright and patent law and you
know that. Then again you are the one who backed yourself into that corner and
put down the wet radioactive paint.

But you are looking, that means you know how bad Doze and MicroCrap software is.

> I also spent several years with a worldwide credit card company. The systems
that
> couldn't be down --- ran on IBM mainframes. Again the only Macs were in the
advertising
> and marketing groups.

Several years ago no doubt, before Mac OS X and X Serves no doubt. Since it is
now like 10X less expensive to pitch the mainframe and install X Serves in place
of it ... and maybe that picture of it behind Jobs at the Keynote was a
fabrication ...

I'll never knock IBM's mainframe division. Their total slavish devotion to the
NIH syndrome kept world order. You know like their complete love of EBCDIC.

Just so you know my first computer to play with was an IBM1130. Nice machine.
It had the ram expansion so there was 8K of core. It also had a 14" disk pac.
Those were fun days.

> I'm off the soapbox. You can't argue with zealots.

Can't argue with conspiracy theory agenda types either.



P.S. To back yourself out of that corner, issue a directive forbidding any
mission critical code that won't run on more than one program. Say it is to be
sure that there are no errors in the code that can be shown by testing on two
different platforms and it is part of the disaster plan. You are the CIO, you
can get away with it.



Posted by Barnabas Collins on August 9, 2006, 5:14 pm
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>I've been using Quicken since v6 (1996 release, I think), and have never
>really known it to be an overly buggy product. I beta tested the '01 and
>'02 versions, as well. Quickbooks, I don't know about (I just now noticed
>this was crossposted...ah well).
You're not using Windows are you?

Every version has it's bugs. Always has, always will.

I won't even go into the blue screen of death which i get in
Quickbooks/Quicken. And this is in XP which isn't supposed to do
that.



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