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Backup question Max 10-07-2007
Posted by Guy Scharf on October 8, 2007, 12:18 pm
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>>> I mean, doing a File | Backup is not backing up ALL the data in
>>> Quicken is it?
>
> I think I've made this a lot more complicated than it needs to be.
> I thought I needed a sub folder for each account.
>
> Right now I've got a Folder called Quicken Data. In it are 3 sub
> folders I've created named US Bank Business Checking, US Bank
> Personal Checking and Washington Mutual Checking. Each of these
> sub folders contain QDATA files with the extensions of IDX, QDF,
> QEL, QPH and a DAT file.

I think I misunderstood your question and was confusing files and
accounts. Andrew's response is good.

You said your files are named "QDATA." That implies to me that you let
Quicken use its default name for data files rather than choosing your
own. When you do File/New from Quicken, you can type in any name you
wish. For example, one set of files could be named Personal and the
other Business.

In general, I'd set up one Quicken file (actually a set of files, but
Quicken keeps that all straight for you) for personal use and another
for business. Whether you put them in the same directory or in
separate directories is up to you. Quicken will name the files to keep
them separate. If you are using a backup mechanism outside Quicken and
using attachments, it may be easier to back up just the personal or
business without any intermingling if they are in separate directories.

Each file can have an unlimited number of checking and other asset and
liability accounts. For example, my Quicken data file has five
checking and savings accounts at various banks, and a bunch of credit
card accounts.

When I used Quicken for business, I had one file for personal
accounting and one for business accounting. Each file had lots of
accounts.

Guy

Posted by Max on October 8, 2007, 8:17 pm
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Guy Scharf wrote:
>You said your files are named "QDATA." That implies to me that you let
>Quicken use its default name for data files rather than choosing your
>own. When you do File/New from Quicken, you can type in any name you
>wish. For example, one set of files could be named Personal and the
>other Business.
>
>In general, I'd set up one Quicken file (actually a set of files, but
>Quicken keeps that all straight for you) for personal use and another
>for business.

I started to suspect my understanding of the inner workings of Quicken
were skewed last week when I realized all three QData files were the
same size - 3,996 KB.

Apparently I thought I needed a separate folder for each account when I
set this all up a number of years ago.

What I was doing was, after updating transactions from my bank for each
individual account I would go to File | Backup. I would choose the QDATA.QDF
file from Personal Banking (for example) and back it up to a Quicken
DataPersonal Banking folder on a different drive. After updating my
USBank Business account I would do the same, Choose the QDATA.QDF
from my Business Banking account and back it up to a Business Banking
folder on a different drive. All I was doing was keeping three backups
each time.

OK, so right now I have my three accounts - US Bank Personal, US Bank
Business and Washington Mutual - all in the same QDATA file. Is there any
way to separate them so they have their own QDATA file? Or is that even
necessary? I have them all under Cash Flow Accounts, if that makes any
difference.

Gentlemen, I appreciate your help.


Posted by Andrew on October 8, 2007, 7:56 pm
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Max wrote:
> Guy Scharf wrote:
>> You said your files are named "QDATA." That implies to me that you
>> let Quicken use its default name for data files rather than choosing
>> your own. When you do File/New from Quicken, you can type in any
>> name you wish. For example, one set of files could be named
>> Personal and the other Business.
>>
>> In general, I'd set up one Quicken file (actually a set of files, but
>> Quicken keeps that all straight for you) for personal use and another
>> for business.
>
> I started to suspect my understanding of the inner workings of Quicken
> were skewed last week when I realized all three QData files were the
> same size - 3,996 KB.
>
> Apparently I thought I needed a separate folder for each account when
> I
> set this all up a number of years ago.
>
> What I was doing was, after updating transactions from my bank for
> each individual account I would go to File | Backup. I would choose
> the QDATA.QDF file from Personal Banking (for example) and back it up
> to a Quicken DataPersonal Banking folder on a different drive.
> After updating my
> USBank Business account I would do the same, Choose the QDATA.QDF
> from my Business Banking account and back it up to a Business Banking
> folder on a different drive. All I was doing was keeping three
> backups
> each time.
>
> OK, so right now I have my three accounts - US Bank Personal, US Bank
> Business and Washington Mutual - all in the same QDATA file. Is there
> any way to separate them so they have their own QDATA file? Or is
> that even necessary? I have them all under Cash Flow Accounts, if
> that makes any difference.
>
> Gentlemen, I appreciate your help.

1) "Is there any way to separate them so they have their own QDATA file? "
If you didn't use any transfers from one account to the other, you can use
the Quicken file copy function to copy QDATA to some other fileset using a
different name, then simply delete the account(s) that you don't want in one
or the other, keeping all three accounts viable in one or the other. Maybe
one would contain just your personal, the other the business. (Just keep a
copy before you do anything drastic to recover!) Then you can rename QDATA
to some other meaningful name as was previously mentioned, and the copied
account to another meaningful name (in my other example, I used MAXPERS and
MAXBUS).

2) "Or is that even necessary? "
Again, as far as Quicken is concerned, no! As far as some people think you
should never comingle business and personal accounts in bookkeeping systems,
yes.
Personally, I'd keep two SEPARATE Quicken file sets, one for business, one
for personal use. YMMV.
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Regards -

- Andrew



Posted by Guy Scharf on October 9, 2007, 1:11 am
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> OK, so right now I have my three accounts - US Bank Personal, US
> Bank Business and Washington Mutual - all in the same QDATA file.
> Is there any way to separate them so they have their own QDATA
> file? Or is that even necessary? I have them all under Cash Flow
> Accounts, if that makes any difference.

I thought you said you had each of your three accounts set up in
*separate* QDATA files, not in one QDATA file. If you want to separate
out accounts into their own QDATA files, then Andrew has suggested the
easiest way--make a copy of the files and delete the accounts you don't
want.

If you want to *combine* accounts from separate QDATA files into a
single QDATA file, then file/export the accounts as QIF files and
import them into the common file.

Guy

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