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BellSouth to AT&T Stock Sylvia 01-17-2007
Posted by wbertram on January 17, 2007, 10:13 pm
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Hopefully a user of 2006 Deluxe will hop in here. I know some of the
Quicken versions have more advanced investment procedures than Quicken
Basic. I happen to be using Basic.

Sylvia wrote:
> I am using Quicken 2006 Deluxe.
>
> Katie
>
>
>> Eric:
>>
>> Companies issue and maintain records on fractional shares of stock.
>>
>> Quicken works quite well with fractional shares of stock.
>>
>> Except for those bits of misinformation, the procedure you describe is
>> workable.
>>
>> Katie:
>>
>> If you follow the procedures described by Eric (but using fractional
>> shares of course), you will have the correct number of ATT shares at the
>> correct price. Check your figures with those which ATT will provide
>> when you receive their paperwork.
>>
>> But, there are two things to be aware of.
>>
>> 1) The exchange of SBC for ATT will be tax free, but Quicken will
>> (incorrectly) report the sale of SBC as a capital gain, and
>>
>> 2) Quicken will have an incorrect acquisition date for the asset. The
>> acquisition date for the ATT shares should be the acquisition date of
>> the original SBC shares, not the date the SBC shares were exchanged for
>> ATT shares.
>>
>> Depending on the version of Quicken you have (Basic, Deluxe, etc., and
>> Year), there may be better ways to record this transaction which will
>> avoid these two problems.
>>
>> Eric Bloch wrote:
>>> Except for mutual funds you cannot have fractional shares.
>>>
>>> 1. You must go back thru ALL of your Bellsouth (BS) transactions and
>>> eliminate fractions. If they were caused by splits or dividends reinvested
>>> you received a book entry for the shares including fractions and then the
>>> fractions were immediately sold for a gain or loss which was long or short
>>> depending on the original purchase date.
>>>
>>> 2. Now take the whole shares and, in Quicken, sell all of them on the date
>>> of ATT purchase.
>>>
>>> 3. Use ALL of the funds received to purchase the 1.325 X (BS shares) of ATT.
>>>
>>> 4. If you now have fractions of ATT enter a sell transaction for the $$ you
>>> received for them. For IRS the gain or loss goes back to the original date
>>> of BS purchase but Quicken will think they were acquired on the day of
>>> transfer. Same goes for when you finally sell the remaining ATT shares.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>> On December 29, 2006 I was holding 809.6203 shares of BellSouth Stock.
>>>> On that date the exchange to AT&T took place. Could someone please
>>>> tell me how to enter this transaction in Quicken 2006 and after making
>>>> the change will the cost basis be maintained so that it will be
>>>> available for future tax purposes?
>>>>
>>>> BellSouth Share Exchange
>>>> BellSouth shares 809.6203
>>>> Exchange Rate 1.325
>>>> AT&T Stock Credited 1,072.746898
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>>
>>>> Katie
>>>

Posted by wbertram on January 17, 2007, 10:10 pm
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Further.

3) The Tax Basis of the ATT shares should be the Tax Basis of the
original SBC shares. And not the purchase price of the ATT shares.

I find it useful to keep all these bits of info in a notebook separate
from any computer records.

wbertram wrote:
> Eric:
>
> Companies issue and maintain records on fractional shares of stock.
>
> Quicken works quite well with fractional shares of stock.
>
> Except for those bits of misinformation, the procedure you describe is
> workable.
>
> Katie:
>
> If you follow the procedures described by Eric (but using fractional
> shares of course), you will have the correct number of ATT shares at the
> correct price. Check your figures with those which ATT will provide
> when you receive their paperwork.
>
> But, there are two things to be aware of.
>
> 1) The exchange of SBC for ATT will be tax free, but Quicken will
> (incorrectly) report the sale of SBC as a capital gain, and
>
> 2) Quicken will have an incorrect acquisition date for the asset. The
> acquisition date for the ATT shares should be the acquisition date of
> the original SBC shares, not the date the SBC shares were exchanged for
> ATT shares.
>
> Depending on the version of Quicken you have (Basic, Deluxe, etc., and
> Year), there may be better ways to record this transaction which will
> avoid these two problems.
>
> Eric Bloch wrote:
>> Except for mutual funds you cannot have fractional shares.
>>
>> 1. You must go back thru ALL of your Bellsouth (BS) transactions and
>> eliminate fractions. If they were caused by splits or dividends
>> reinvested you received a book entry for the shares including
>> fractions and then the fractions were immediately sold for a gain or
>> loss which was long or short depending on the original purchase date.
>>
>> 2. Now take the whole shares and, in Quicken, sell all of them on the
>> date of ATT purchase.
>>
>> 3. Use ALL of the funds received to purchase the 1.325 X (BS shares)
>> of ATT.
>>
>> 4. If you now have fractions of ATT enter a sell transaction for the
>> $$ you received for them. For IRS the gain or loss goes back to the
>> original date of BS purchase but Quicken will think they were acquired
>> on the day of transfer. Same goes for when you finally sell the
>> remaining ATT shares.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>> On December 29, 2006 I was holding 809.6203 shares of BellSouth Stock.
>>> On that date the exchange to AT&T took place. Could someone please
>>> tell me how to enter this transaction in Quicken 2006 and after making
>>> the change will the cost basis be maintained so that it will be
>>> available for future tax purposes?
>>>
>>> BellSouth Share Exchange
>>> BellSouth shares 809.6203
>>> Exchange Rate 1.325
>>> AT&T Stock Credited 1,072.746898
>>>
>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>
>>> Katie
>>
>>

Posted by DP on January 17, 2007, 11:47 pm
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Just want to point out that SBC and Bellsouth are not the same company.

>
> 1) The exchange of SBC for ATT will be tax free, but Quicken will
> (incorrectly) report the sale of SBC as a capital gain, and
>



Posted by wbertram on January 18, 2007, 1:43 pm
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Duh...Sorry about that.

Please substitute Bell South for SBC in all my posts.

Sorry

DP wrote:
> Just want to point out that SBC and Bellsouth are not the same company.
>
>> 1) The exchange of SBC for ATT will be tax free, but Quicken will
>> (incorrectly) report the sale of SBC as a capital gain, and
>>
>
>

Posted by Andrew on January 17, 2007, 11:57 pm
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wbertram wrote:
> Eric:
>
> Companies issue and maintain records on fractional shares of stock.
>
> Quicken works quite well with fractional shares of stock.
>
> Except for those bits of misinformation, the procedure you describe is
> workable.

wbertram: I think you are misreading what Eric meant. He didn't say QUICKEN
couldn't handle fractional shares, he was talking about the PROCESS of the
transferral. Read his #1 again....he indeed states "1. You must go back
thru ALL of your Bellsouth (BS) transactions and eliminate fractions. If
they were caused by splits or dividends reinvested you received a book entry
for the shares including fractions and then the fractions were immediately
sold for a gain or loss which was long or short depending on the original
purchase date.". That is nothing to do with Quicken; it DOES have to do
with the process (Regardless of Quicken) that is used in doing the
conversion. Clearly he states that fractional shares are indeed possible to
be owned via splits or reinvested dividends.

Now, I might be misreading what Eric is saying....

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