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Business use? Hal Mann 10-27-2007
Posted by Hal Mann on October 27, 2007, 10:09 am
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I'm thinking of activating the business features of my Quicken Premier 2007.
Will this handle more than one business? I have two small businesses that I
operate. I was going to use Quickbooks for one of the businesses but it
doesn't seem to handle brokerage accounts and stock trading activity. Since
Quicken does this just fine, I'm thinking of doing all my business
accounting inside Quicken.



Posted by Oilcan on October 27, 2007, 2:48 pm
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Brokerage and Stock Trading is not a normal business activity for most
people and QuickBooks is targeted towards small businesses.

Quicken H&B could likely work for you -- there is not enough information to
make that decision (nor am I asking for it). A lot depends on how you
handle your businesses on your tax return. A possible scenario is to use
Quicken H&B but maintain three data sets (a collection of Quicken files) --
one for your personal, one for business 1 and the final for business 2. If
you treat your businesses as "one" on your tax return, then your decision is
to have one data set for the combined personal and business or two data
sets - one for personal and one for business. I would not track two
businesses within a single data set.

There are many different views on this. I would talk with a tax advisor on
how to set-up your recordkeeping.

Oilcan
> I'm thinking of activating the business features of my Quicken Premier
> 2007. Will this handle more than one business? I have two small
> businesses that I operate. I was going to use Quickbooks for one of the
> businesses but it doesn't seem to handle brokerage accounts and stock
> trading activity. Since Quicken does this just fine, I'm thinking of
> doing all my business accounting inside Quicken.
>


Posted by Hal Mann on October 28, 2007, 11:27 am
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Oilcan,

Thanks for your comments. This is very helpful. I had resigned myself to
buying a separate Quicken H&B for the LLC since that reports on its own tax
return. Are you suggesting that I can create separate files for each entity
and use them with one licensed version of Quicken? I would just have to
load the correct data file when I am recording the transactions for each
particular business. Is that right or do I need to buy separate copies of
the program as I originally intended?

Thanks again for your help.

> Brokerage and Stock Trading is not a normal business activity for most
> people and QuickBooks is targeted towards small businesses.
>
> Quicken H&B could likely work for you -- there is not enough information
> to make that decision (nor am I asking for it). A lot depends on how you
> handle your businesses on your tax return. A possible scenario is to use
> Quicken H&B but maintain three data sets (a collection of Quicken
> files) -- one for your personal, one for business 1 and the final for
> business 2. If you treat your businesses as "one" on your tax return,
> then your decision is to have one data set for the combined personal and
> business or two data sets - one for personal and one for business. I
> would not track two businesses within a single data set.
>
> There are many different views on this. I would talk with a tax advisor on
> how to set-up your recordkeeping.
>
> Oilcan
>> I'm thinking of activating the business features of my Quicken Premier
>> 2007. Will this handle more than one business? I have two small
>> businesses that I operate. I was going to use Quickbooks for one of the
>> businesses but it doesn't seem to handle brokerage accounts and stock
>> trading activity. Since Quicken does this just fine, I'm thinking of
>> doing all my business accounting inside Quicken.
>>
>



Posted by John B in CA on October 28, 2007, 12:09 pm
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Hal,

I'll add to Oilcan's comments as follows: You can use one Quicken file for
all three purposes -- personal, bus1, bus2 -- by adding a Tag (what used to
be called Classes) to each transaction. I have been doing this with H&B for
many years. Here are a few examples of what the Category/Tag would look
like:

Phone/PER

Auto:Gas/BUS2

Trvl:Hotel/BUS1

You can split any transaction between two classes. For example, if you take
a business trip and split the airfare between the two businesses:

Trvl:Air/BUS1
Trvl:Air/BUS2

For what it's worth, my accountant fully approves of the way I use
Quicken -- using Classes (tags) to separate personal and business
transactions. In addition, I've been audited by the IRS and the auditor
complimented me on my record keeping. I even use one checking account and
one credit card for both personal and business purchases, something the
accountant and IRS would recommend against, but since every transaction is
tagged to identify BUS versus PER (those are my classes), the Quicken
reporting is very accurate and efficient.

I agree with Oilcan that you might want to check with your accountant on how
best to set up recordkeeping for your particular situation.

If you decide to use a separate Quicken file for each business and your
personal records, you most certainly do NOT need to buy more than one copy
of Quicken. You may use as many data files as you like with Quicken. I
know an accountant who keeps records for a dozen or so clients all with the
same copy of Quicken.

John



> Oilcan,
>
> Thanks for your comments. This is very helpful. I had resigned myself to
> buying a separate Quicken H&B for the LLC since that reports on its own
> tax
> return. Are you suggesting that I can create separate files for each
> entity
> and use them with one licensed version of Quicken? I would just have to
> load the correct data file when I am recording the transactions for each
> particular business. Is that right or do I need to buy separate copies of
> the program as I originally intended?
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
>> Brokerage and Stock Trading is not a normal business activity for most
>> people and QuickBooks is targeted towards small businesses.
>>
>> Quicken H&B could likely work for you -- there is not enough information
>> to make that decision (nor am I asking for it). A lot depends on how you
>> handle your businesses on your tax return. A possible scenario is to use
>> Quicken H&B but maintain three data sets (a collection of Quicken
>> files) -- one for your personal, one for business 1 and the final for
>> business 2. If you treat your businesses as "one" on your tax return,
>> then your decision is to have one data set for the combined personal and
>> business or two data sets - one for personal and one for business. I
>> would not track two businesses within a single data set.
>>
>> There are many different views on this. I would talk with a tax advisor
>> on how to set-up your recordkeeping.
>>
>> Oilcan
>>> I'm thinking of activating the business features of my Quicken Premier
>>> 2007. Will this handle more than one business? I have two small
>>> businesses that I operate. I was going to use Quickbooks for one of the
>>> businesses but it doesn't seem to handle brokerage accounts and stock
>>> trading activity. Since Quicken does this just fine, I'm thinking of
>>> doing all my business accounting inside Quicken.
>>>
>>
>
>



Posted by Hal Mann on October 28, 2007, 8:38 pm
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John,

Very cool. I'll check into this Tag function right away. Sounds like an
excellent solution. I appreciate your help.

And congrats on getting high marks from the IRS Auditor. I was a CPA in
public practice before I went to work for a client 20 years ago. I never
had an auditor compliment anybody. Great job.

Take care,
Hal

> Hal,
>
> I'll add to Oilcan's comments as follows: You can use one Quicken file
> for all three purposes -- personal, bus1, bus2 -- by adding a Tag (what
> used to be called Classes) to each transaction. I have been doing this
> with H&B for many years. Here are a few examples of what the Category/Tag
> would look like:
>
> Phone/PER
>
> Auto:Gas/BUS2
>
> Trvl:Hotel/BUS1
>
> You can split any transaction between two classes. For example, if you
> take a business trip and split the airfare between the two businesses:
>
> Trvl:Air/BUS1
> Trvl:Air/BUS2
>
> For what it's worth, my accountant fully approves of the way I use
> Quicken -- using Classes (tags) to separate personal and business
> transactions. In addition, I've been audited by the IRS and the auditor
> complimented me on my record keeping. I even use one checking account and
> one credit card for both personal and business purchases, something the
> accountant and IRS would recommend against, but since every transaction is
> tagged to identify BUS versus PER (those are my classes), the Quicken
> reporting is very accurate and efficient.
>
> I agree with Oilcan that you might want to check with your accountant on
> how best to set up recordkeeping for your particular situation.
>
> If you decide to use a separate Quicken file for each business and your
> personal records, you most certainly do NOT need to buy more than one copy
> of Quicken. You may use as many data files as you like with Quicken. I
> know an accountant who keeps records for a dozen or so clients all with
> the same copy of Quicken.
>
> John
>
>
>
>> Oilcan,
>>
>> Thanks for your comments. This is very helpful. I had resigned myself
>> to
>> buying a separate Quicken H&B for the LLC since that reports on its own
>> tax
>> return. Are you suggesting that I can create separate files for each
>> entity
>> and use them with one licensed version of Quicken? I would just have to
>> load the correct data file when I am recording the transactions for each
>> particular business. Is that right or do I need to buy separate copies
>> of
>> the program as I originally intended?
>>
>> Thanks again for your help.
>>
>>> Brokerage and Stock Trading is not a normal business activity for most
>>> people and QuickBooks is targeted towards small businesses.
>>>
>>> Quicken H&B could likely work for you -- there is not enough information
>>> to make that decision (nor am I asking for it). A lot depends on how
>>> you handle your businesses on your tax return. A possible scenario is
>>> to use Quicken H&B but maintain three data sets (a collection of Quicken
>>> files) -- one for your personal, one for business 1 and the final for
>>> business 2. If you treat your businesses as "one" on your tax return,
>>> then your decision is to have one data set for the combined personal and
>>> business or two data sets - one for personal and one for business. I
>>> would not track two businesses within a single data set.
>>>
>>> There are many different views on this. I would talk with a tax advisor
>>> on how to set-up your recordkeeping.
>>>
>>> Oilcan
>>>> I'm thinking of activating the business features of my Quicken Premier
>>>> 2007. Will this handle more than one business? I have two small
>>>> businesses that I operate. I was going to use Quickbooks for one of
>>>> the businesses but it doesn't seem to handle brokerage accounts and
>>>> stock trading activity. Since Quicken does this just fine, I'm
>>>> thinking of doing all my business accounting inside Quicken.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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