Home Page link  

Classes vs groups vs categories

 

Quicken Personal Finance Discussions - Quicken - personal finance software discussions

 Post an article  get this group's latest topics as an RSS feed add this group's latest topics to your My MSN content add this group's latest topics to your My Yahoo content  add this group's latest topics to your Google content  YahooMyWeb Yahoo!  Google Google  Windows Live Favorites Windows Live  del.icio.us del.icio.us  digg digg  Add to Netscape Netscape
Subject Author Date
Classes vs groups vs categories Russ 11-09-2006
Posted by Russ on November 9, 2006, 10:00 pm
Please log in for more thread options
I have been using categories and subcategories and defining both of
them by a group, ie discretionary, mandatory, college, medical, etc.
It seems that i am being redundant by have a master category as
Insurance with subcategories as Auto, health,disability, home1, home2,
etc.
by doing this I can find out the total cost of insurance and then
labeling under the group of insurance. I

I am now recategorizing auto insurance into the master category of
Transportation and health insurance under a master category of Medical
for budgeting reasons. Auto Insurance probably should be under
transportation. I also thought that I could leave all the insurance
together but assign a group to each, ie Insurance:Auto and grouped as
Transportation. When I wanted to keep track of maintenance of each
car, I would put them under a subcategory of the subcategory, i.e.
Transportation:Maintenance:Dodge and have all the cars listed under
Maintenance. What would I gain by using
Transportation:Maintenance/dodge, Transportation:Maintenance/Ford, etc?
Another example is Master category of Medical:Doctor Visits:Russ
therefore having each family memberlisted as a subcategory of Doctor
visits. I think I'm being too anal about keeping track of it but...

I really don't understand classes though and feel that I am missing out
on a useful part of Quicken by not understanding classes and when to
use them. Could someone please explain the most useful way to use
classes? thank you.


Posted by JM on November 9, 2006, 11:31 pm
Please log in for more thread options
[snip]
> When I wanted to keep track of maintenance of each
> car, I would put them under a subcategory of the subcategory, i.e.
> Transportation:Maintenance:Dodge and have all the cars listed under
> Maintenance. What would I gain by using
> Transportation:Maintenance/dodge, Transportation:Maintenance/Ford, etc?
[snip]

Tracking vehicle expenses is a very good example of where it can be
advantages to use classes. Using a class for each vehicle may let you
greatly reduce the number of categories in you list. Say you have three
vehicles; you can track maintence, fuel and registration fees with just
three categories [or subcategories] and three classes. It would take
nine categories to do this without classes. Down the road you trade the
Dodge for a Hummer - you can add one single class for the Hummer or you
would need to add three new categories - in time your category list
gets quite lengthly.

The same reasoning holds for tracking expenses for individual family
members if desired. Say there are 5 family members. Set up a class for
each rather than an extensive array of category:subcategory for each.
You can use the classes for any categorye.g., Medical, Dental, Personal
Care, etc.

You can do category reports and subtotal by class to get your total
expenses for a given category broken down by class - e.g. Total expense
for Fuel broken down by vehicle.


Posted by Andrew on November 10, 2006, 8:21 am
Please log in for more thread options
JM wrote:
> [snip]
>> When I wanted to keep track of maintenance of each
>> car, I would put them under a subcategory of the subcategory, i.e.
>> Transportation:Maintenance:Dodge and have all the cars listed under
>> Maintenance. What would I gain by using
>> Transportation:Maintenance/dodge, Transportation:Maintenance/Ford,
>> etc? [snip]
>
> Tracking vehicle expenses is a very good example of where it can be
> advantages to use classes. Using a class for each vehicle may let you
> greatly reduce the number of categories in you list. Say you have
> three vehicles; you can track maintence, fuel and registration fees
> with just three categories [or subcategories] and three classes.
> [snip]

JM - very interesting - that puts a different slant on classes than I've
been using for a while. And you're right, I have a lot of the
category:subcategory lists for family members and specific autos. I think
indeed I'll change to your methodology.

One question - I HAVE been using classes as a means of excluding
transactions in reports that don't affect me personally. For example, if I
deposit cash in my checking account that I collected on behalf of a charity
event, then write a check to the charity for the total sum of the charity
deposits, I have a 'class' defined as 'charity' to exclude, since those
transactions aren't really mine, and shouldn't be counted in reports such as
cash flows, etc. I have many of these in fact. Different charities,
hobbies, holding onto the money that kids collect for fundraisers, etc.

So I'm think of renaming all of the to 'xSomething', like 'xCharity' (as in
'exclude') to still give me flexibility to do this, as well as having
classes set up for the family members and autos above for my tranactions
that are mine.

Does this methodology make sense to you to use classes in this manner (both
to categorize real expenses and excludable expenses)? Do you do such a
thing? I'd be interested in hearing opinions from others before I go
wholesale crazy this weekend!


--
-------------------------------------------------------------
Regards -

- Andrew



Posted by JM on November 10, 2006, 9:33 am
Please log in for more thread options

Andrew wrote:
> JM wrote:
> > [snip]
> >> When I wanted to keep track of maintenance of each
> >> car, I would put them under a subcategory of the subcategory, i.e.
> >> Transportation:Maintenance:Dodge and have all the cars listed under
> >> Maintenance. What would I gain by using
> >> Transportation:Maintenance/dodge, Transportation:Maintenance/Ford,
> >> etc? [snip]
> >
> > Tracking vehicle expenses is a very good example of where it can be
> > advantages to use classes. Using a class for each vehicle may let you
> > greatly reduce the number of categories in you list. Say you have
> > three vehicles; you can track maintence, fuel and registration fees
> > with just three categories [or subcategories] and three classes.
> > [snip]
>
> JM - very interesting - that puts a different slant on classes than I've
> been using for a while. And you're right, I have a lot of the
> category:subcategory lists for family members and specific autos. I think
> indeed I'll change to your methodology.
>
> One question - I HAVE been using classes as a means of excluding
> transactions in reports that don't affect me personally. For example, if I
> deposit cash in my checking account that I collected on behalf of a charity
> event, then write a check to the charity for the total sum of the charity
> deposits, I have a 'class' defined as 'charity' to exclude, since those
> transactions aren't really mine, and shouldn't be counted in reports such as
> cash flows, etc. I have many of these in fact. Different charities,
> hobbies, holding onto the money that kids collect for fundraisers, etc.
>
> So I'm think of renaming all of the to 'xSomething', like 'xCharity' (as in
> 'exclude') to still give me flexibility to do this, as well as having
> classes set up for the family members and autos above for my tranactions
> that are mine.
>
> Does this methodology make sense to you to use classes in this manner (both
> to categorize real expenses and excludable expenses)? Do you do such a
> thing? I'd be interested in hearing opinions from others before I go
> wholesale crazy this weekend!
>
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Regards -
>
> - Andrew

This is an interesting use of classes - had not occurred to me but then
do not have your requirement.

I do have other uses of classes including:

I tracked both pre-tax and after-tax contributions to a 401k by
assigning a class '/PT' or '/AT' to the transfer from checking.

Track '_IntInc' from individual FI's by assigning classes. This makes
it easier to match up with year-end tax documents and enter info into
TTax.

Owned multiple rental properties - use of classes essential here for
preparation of Sched E for each property. This function is integrated
very well with TTax.

Have done some consulting work and use a unique class for each employer
- provides good breakdown of Sched C info for tax prep.

Have used classes to provide breakdown of costs for extensive home
remodeling projects; e.g., used classes for electricl, plumbing,
contract labor, doors & windows, etc.

The list goes on - might say the use of categories/classes is limited
only by your imagination :<).


Posted by pvh on November 11, 2006, 6:59 am
Please log in for more thread options
Andrew wrote:

> One question - I HAVE been using classes as a means of excluding
> transactions in reports that don't affect me personally. For example, if I
> deposit cash in my checking account that I collected on behalf of a charity
> event, then write a check to the charity for the total sum of the charity
> deposits, I have a 'class' defined as 'charity' to exclude, since those
> transactions aren't really mine, and shouldn't be counted in reports such as
> cash flows, etc. I have many of these in fact. Different charities,
> hobbies, holding onto the money that kids collect for fundraisers, etc.

Hi Andrew,

What I have done for this is set up an actual account, a liability
account, which functions as a clearing account. I have named it "Cash
Collected for Others" If, say, my mother gives me $20 to go to a
walkathon at my kids school, the entry is Dr. Cash $20; Cr. Cash
Collected for Others $20. When I forward all the cash collected to the
school (or whatever) Dr. Cash Collected for others; Cr. Cash.

Peter V
Fall River, Nova Scotia

Similar ThreadsPosted
Classes or new categories January 5, 2008, 6:32 pm
Categories, Classes, etc. April 24, 2006, 8:08 pm
Very odd problem - Category Groups in Reports December 20, 2006, 3:07 pm
Add groups to Spending & Savings accounts? May 20, 2007, 4:31 pm
DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups June 19, 2008, 9:58 pm
Classes? February 20, 2007, 9:20 pm
Invoices and Classes November 18, 2007, 11:55 am
Adding fund Asset classes March 3, 2007, 3:14 pm
Quicken 2008: Tags vs. Classes August 31, 2007, 8:51 am
Classes: merging two equivalent names July 30, 2008, 2:42 pm

Contact Us | Privacy Policy
This site is not affiliated with Intuit - makers of Quickbooks and Quicken software
This site is not affiliated with Sage Software - makers of Peachtree accounting software
XML SitemapXML Sitemap