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Color of highlighted line in a report John K 08-09-2006
Posted by John K on August 14, 2006, 12:38 pm
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>
>> Hi, John and John and Jerry.
>>
>> Since we have 3 programmers here, I'd like to digress just a little to
>> ask
>> a programming question:
>>
>>> Then, of course, regression testing should be performed on each release.
>>
>> What's "regression testing"?
>>
>> I have a vague idea from the name of the term and from the way I've seen
>> it used here and elsewhere. But I haven't done any programming since
>> GeeWhiz BASIC and I didn't run into that phrase there. I hear the term a
>> lot in the Vista beta newsgroups, so I assume it just means that the
>> programmers test to see that their one step forward has not resulted in
>> two or more steps back. I don't need a complete dissertation (the kind I
>> usually post!), but a couple of paragraphs should help me (and other
>> readers) to understand this process.
>>
>
> Hi RC,
>
> You hit the nail right on the head.
>
> It's a set of tests to ensure that fixes and enhancements don't break
> existing features, i.e. it *prevents* regression.
>
> As enhancements are made and as bugs are discovered by system testers,
> beta
> testers and users, new tests are added to the set to ensure that the
> enhancements and fixes continue to work.
>
> Jerry (of the 3 J's)
>
>
Jerry, and you to, RC, is exactly correct.



Posted by Irv on August 15, 2006, 12:36 pm
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 I'm jumping into a roiling sea here but I think it may be worth
doing...to enlighten others who may be harboring annoyances at Intuit's
cynicism. I'm not a programmer, never was, and I gain enlightenment
from exchanges like this. They really are illuminating, and the people
who engage in the exchanges are admirable for sharing their knowledge,
rarely with or a whisper of contempt for us eavesdroppers. One thought
that pops in amid all the conversational exchange is a kind of
acceptance or resignation to things as they are, the expectation that
the next "improvement" will come, maybe not now, but a sense of
patience that a bug that has emerged will probably be repaired in the
next issue...Q 2008, for example... and who will pay for the
discovering the bug(s) and being resigned to their persistance until
the next Q-version? Why, the hog-tied subscriber, of course.
John K wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, John and John and Jerry.
> >>
> >> Since we have 3 programmers here, I'd like to digress just a little to
> >> ask
> >> a programming question:
> >>
> >>> Then, of course, regression testing should be performed on each release.
> >>
> >> What's "regression testing"?
> >>
> >> I have a vague idea from the name of the term and from the way I've seen
> >> it used here and elsewhere. But I haven't done any programming since
> >> GeeWhiz BASIC and I didn't run into that phrase there. I hear the term a
> >> lot in the Vista beta newsgroups, so I assume it just means that the
> >> programmers test to see that their one step forward has not resulted in
> >> two or more steps back. I don't need a complete dissertation (the kind I
> >> usually post!), but a couple of paragraphs should help me (and other
> >> readers) to understand this process.
> >>
> >
> > Hi RC,
> >
> > You hit the nail right on the head.
> >
> > It's a set of tests to ensure that fixes and enhancements don't break
> > existing features, i.e. it *prevents* regression.
> >
> > As enhancements are made and as bugs are discovered by system testers,
> > beta
> > testers and users, new tests are added to the set to ensure that the
> > enhancements and fixes continue to work.
> >
> > Jerry (of the 3 J's)
> >
> >
> Jerry, and you to, RC, is exactly correct.


Posted by John Pollard on August 13, 2006, 4:05 pm
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> For large systems even a simple fix is dangerous because it
> may expose
> latent bugs in unrelated areas of the product. For a product
> with Quicken's
> extensive user community this risk is usually unacceptable
> unless (a) it
> fixes an important operational bug or (b) it causes database
> corruption.
>
> I'm probably more annoyed than most at the new minor bugs that
> creep up in
> each new Quicken release. Sometimes I even suspect Intuit of
> deliberately
> planting these bugs to get you to buy the next release :-) But
> I still
> support Intuit's decision not to fix minor problems before the
> next product
> release. You probably have to be a programmer to appreciate
> this philosophy.

I qualify.



Posted by Jerry Boyle on August 13, 2006, 4:44 pm
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>
>> For large systems even a simple fix is dangerous because it may expose
>> latent bugs in unrelated areas of the product. For a product with
>> Quicken's
>> extensive user community this risk is usually unacceptable unless (a) it
>> fixes an important operational bug or (b) it causes database corruption.
>>
>> I'm probably more annoyed than most at the new minor bugs that creep up
>> in
>> each new Quicken release. Sometimes I even suspect Intuit of deliberately
>> planting these bugs to get you to buy the next release :-) But I still
>> support Intuit's decision not to fix minor problems before the next
>> product
>> release. You probably have to be a programmer to appreciate this
>> philosophy.
>
> I qualify.
>

With all the time you spend helping others with their problems it amazes me
that you have any time left to do any progrmming ;-)



Posted by John Pollard on August 13, 2006, 9:27 pm
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> With all the time you spend helping others with their problems
> it amazes me that you have any time left to do any programming
> ;-)

After 39 years, one gets pretty good at utilizing time ... or
one doesn't survive. ;-)




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