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Corporate Securities Spin-off Phil 01-08-2007
Posted by Phil on January 8, 2007, 9:15 pm
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Can I reverse a Corporate Securities Spin-off? If so, How?

Any help appreciated.

Phil B.

--
"I LET MY MIND WANDER AND IT NEVER CAME BACK"



Posted by R. C. White on January 9, 2007, 12:09 am
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Hi, Phil.

What???

That seems a very strange questions. Exactly what do you mean?

Would it work to simply delete the entry for the spin-off transaction? Or
is your situation more involved than that?

Please post back with details and maybe we can suggest something more
elaborate that might work for you.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Currently running Vista Ultimate x64)

> Can I reverse a Corporate Securities Spin-off? If so, How?
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Phil B.


Posted by Phil on January 9, 2007, 9:02 am
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RC,

Seems that the spin-off entry has fouled up the value of the
original security as well as the spin-off security. I must have done
something wrong. Prices are correct.

For some reason I can't find the spin-off transaction. Any help
appreciated. Thanks.

Phil B.



> Hi, Phil.
>
> What???
>
> That seems a very strange questions. Exactly what do you mean?
>
> Would it work to simply delete the entry for the spin-off transaction? Or
> is your situation more involved than that?
>
> Please post back with details and maybe we can suggest something more
> elaborate that might work for you.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> (Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Currently running Vista Ultimate x64)
>
>> Can I reverse a Corporate Securities Spin-off? If so, How?
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>>
>> Phil B.
>



Posted by R. C. White on January 9, 2007, 9:28 am
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Hi, Phil.

Please tell us the version of Quicken that you are using. It wouldn't hurt
to also mention your version of Windows.

And then tell us when the spin-off happened and when you made the entry.
What entry did you make? The name of the companies involved would probably
also be helpful. Some of us may already be familiar with the transaction;
if not, we can look it up. A link to the company's website would probably
go a long way to help us understand and to help you understand it, too. The
number of shares might be important.

You are giving me the very queasy feeling of having come into the middle of
the movie, with no idea of how we got to this point. :>( It seems that you
are trying to get maximum help with minimal disclosure. We can't help you
if we don't really know what the problem is, and you have not done a good
job of explaining it in your first two messages. My first reply asked for
details, but your second post gave us none at all. We don't even know if
this is a public company or your family corporation. We don't know if the
spin-of happened in 2006 or 1996.

Remember the two-step process for recording any transaction:

Step 1: Understand what happened in the real world.

Step 2: Record what happened.

Trying to do the second step before the first is almost guaranteed to
require that you back up, undo what you did wrong, and start over.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Currently running Vista Ultimate x64)

> RC,
>
> Seems that the spin-off entry has fouled up the value of the
> original security as well as the spin-off security. I must have done
> something wrong. Prices are correct.
>
> For some reason I can't find the spin-off transaction. Any help
> appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Phil B.
>
>
>> Hi, Phil.
>>
>> What???
>>
>> That seems a very strange questions. Exactly what do you mean?
>>
>> Would it work to simply delete the entry for the spin-off transaction?
>> Or is your situation more involved than that?
>>
>> Please post back with details and maybe we can suggest something more
>> elaborate that might work for you.
>>
>> RC
>>
>>> Can I reverse a Corporate Securities Spin-off? If so, How?
>>>
>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>
>>> Phil B.


Posted by Phil on January 9, 2007, 1:59 pm
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RC,

Using Win Xp SP 2 with all updates
Quicken Deluxe 2006 with all updates
Spin-off was effective Jan 2, 2007 but since the market was closed
(Pres.Ford funeral) it went into effect on Jan 3rd.

Corporate Securities spin-off entry made
Duke Energy (Original security)
Spectra Energy (Spin Off Security)
.5 shares issued per old share
$20 opening price of old shares (post spin-off)
$28.25 cost per new share


Held 362 shares of Duke Energy

Don't understand how you can say I am trying to get maximum help with
minimal disclosure since all I asked in my first post was:
"Can I reverse a Corporate Securities Spin-off? If so, How?"

Also I think I understand what happens in the real world when a Corporate
Securities Spin-off is effective since I spent over 30 years in the
brokerage business. My problem is understanding what Quicken does.

Hope this helps.

Phil B.








> Hi, Phil.
>
> Please tell us the version of Quicken that you are using. It wouldn't
> hurt to also mention your version of Windows.
>
> And then tell us when the spin-off happened and when you made the entry.
> What entry did you make? The name of the companies involved would
> probably also be helpful. Some of us may already be familiar with the
> transaction; if not, we can look it up. A link to the company's website
> would probably go a long way to help us understand and to help you
> understand it, too. The number of shares might be important.
>
> You are giving me the very queasy feeling of having come into the middle
> of the movie, with no idea of how we got to this point. :>( It seems
> that you are trying to get maximum help with minimal disclosure. We can't
> help you if we don't really know what the problem is, and you have not
> done a good job of explaining it in your first two messages. My first
> reply asked for details, but your second post gave us none at all. We
> don't even know if this is a public company or your family corporation.
> We don't know if the spin-of happened in 2006 or 1996.
>
> Remember the two-step process for recording any transaction:
>
> Step 1: Understand what happened in the real world.
>
> Step 2: Record what happened.
>
> Trying to do the second step before the first is almost guaranteed to
> require that you back up, undo what you did wrong, and start over.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> (Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Currently running Vista Ultimate x64)
>
>> RC,
>>
>> Seems that the spin-off entry has fouled up the value of the
>> original security as well as the spin-off security. I must have done
>> something wrong. Prices are correct.
>>
>> For some reason I can't find the spin-off transaction. Any help
>> appreciated. Thanks.
>>
>> Phil B.
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Phil.
>>>
>>> What???
>>>
>>> That seems a very strange questions. Exactly what do you mean?
>>>
>>> Would it work to simply delete the entry for the spin-off transaction?
>>> Or is your situation more involved than that?
>>>
>>> Please post back with details and maybe we can suggest something more
>>> elaborate that might work for you.
>>>
>>> RC
>>>
>>>> Can I reverse a Corporate Securities Spin-off? If so, How?
>>>>
>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Phil B.
>



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