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DSL and Cable Companies dropping all alt. news groups JCMc 06-19-2008
Posted by JCMc on June 19, 2008, 9:58 pm
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I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a few other
groups to resolve my own and other problems with both Quicken and TurboTax.
Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY State Attorney General and has
announced it will drop access to all alt. news groups effective June 24,
2008. I know I can subscribe to pay for service, or switch to one of a few
free services, but none are as convenient as is the Verizon feed. Several
cable ISP services have similarly announced they will drop the alt groups.
I wonder how many of the regular contributors to this group are similarly
impacted by this "Denial of service".



Posted by Porter Smith on June 19, 2008, 10:14 pm
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> I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a few
> other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both Quicken
> and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY State Attorney
> General and has announced it will drop access to all alt. news groups
> effective June 24, 2008. I know I can subscribe to pay for service,
> or switch to one of a few free services, but none are as convenient as
> is the Verizon feed. Several cable ISP services have similarly
> announced they will drop the alt groups. I wonder how many of the
> regular contributors to this group are similarly impacted by this
> "Denial of service".

I lost my free access to news servers when my DSL provider, Embarq,
severed their relationship with Earthlink. It wasn't that big a loss as
Earthlink's news servers were slow, unreliable and incomplete. Embarq has
no news servers at all. When I asked Embarq how I would be compensated
for the reduced service they said "very few customers access Usenet
anyway so we decided it wasn't worth the cost".

I subscribe to Giganews. ( http://www.giganews.com ) Their performance
and reliability are excellant and they claim 1800+ day retention for text
groups, like this one.

Switching to Giganews was trivial, I just pointed my news reader at a
different server and entered my userid & password. Definitely worth
$7/month.




Posted by XS11E on June 19, 2008, 11:25 pm
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> I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a
> few other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both
> Quicken and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY
> State Attorney General and has announced it will drop access to
> all alt. news groups effective June 24, 2008. I know I can
> subscribe to pay for service, or switch to one of a few free
> services, but none are as convenient as is the Verizon feed.

I don't understand why you say none of the pay or free newsservers are
as convenient as the Verizon feed?

You subscribe to a newsserver, you set up your newsreader (OE in your
case) with the necessary information just as you did when you first set
up OE for the Verizon newsserver.

To read a group you click on OE to start it, click on this group and
read the information, exactly like you do now. The only difference you
should see is if you examine your headers or if you examine your
settings in OE, there should be no difference at all in convenience.



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XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://improve-usenet.org

Posted by JCMc on June 20, 2008, 10:04 am
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Well, this might sound lazy, but, when I decided to use Verizon as my
Internet Service Provider, among several things was their support of News
Groups. And, yes I did have to establish links in my news reader to their
servers, but that is now several years ago, and uses the same credentials as
does email, so a single set-up a couple years ago configured me to read
email from several accounts as well as the news groups I subscribe to.

To switch to a new News Group provider, I have to find one that is reliable,
set up an account, establish credentials, and in some cases, there are set
up fees even for ones identified as "Free" (see Terra News). Then I'll have
to update my news reader with the new server name, access credentials, and
then go through and rebuild my subscription list. Ok, none of this is
beyond the wit of man in general, and me in particular. But in my use of
the term "convenient" it is not as convenient as not having to do any of
these things today, this week, or anytime in the foreseeable future.

Might be an issue of semantics, or evidence that I am lazy. Just my
opinion, I'm not sure anyone else would agree, and hence the question in my
original posting. Your opinion and response is most welcome, I 100%
appreciate that you posted. Thank you,
Jere


>
>> I am a Verizon DSL customer and have used my access to this and a
>> few other groups to resolve my own and other problems with both
>> Quicken and TurboTax. Verizon has bowed to pressure born by NY
>> State Attorney General and has announced it will drop access to
>> all alt. news groups effective June 24, 2008. I know I can
>> subscribe to pay for service, or switch to one of a few free
>> services, but none are as convenient as is the Verizon feed.
>
> I don't understand why you say none of the pay or free newsservers are
> as convenient as the Verizon feed?
>
> You subscribe to a newsserver, you set up your newsreader (OE in your
> case) with the necessary information just as you did when you first set
> up OE for the Verizon newsserver.
>
> To read a group you click on OE to start it, click on this group and
> read the information, exactly like you do now. The only difference you
> should see is if you examine your headers or if you examine your
> settings in OE, there should be no difference at all in convenience.
>
>
>
> --
> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
> The Usenet Improvement Project:
> http://improve-usenet.org



Posted by Han on June 20, 2008, 8:23 pm
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> And like I said - you could just click here
> <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.software.financial.quicken/top
> ics>. How much "effort" does that take?

Some say that they filter all posts from Google. Some that I respect. But
the main reason I do not want to use Google is that I really dislike the
interface. Searching is another matter, I find that easier in Google than
through Xnews.

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Best regards
Han
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