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Does Intuit/Quicken really have us over a barrel charly@earthlink.net 02-14-2008
Posted by geoff on February 16, 2008, 5:12 am
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The problem is lack of competition. My area uses time warner cable and high
speed here is like 5 mbps.

Other places that have competition, high speed is more like 15 mbps and the
cost is lower.

--g



Posted by PortStG on February 17, 2008, 5:23 pm
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On 14 Feb 08 wrote:
>Quicken is discontinuing support and functionality for Quicken 2005. Is
>there any other program that can read Quicken files (I don't want to
>loose existing work) and can download account information from banks and
>credit card companies?

Sorry, I can't answer your question(s). But I have one of my own.
Am I the only Quicken user that prefers to NOT download their
Bank/Broker/CC data? I mean, by doing that, don't you eliminate the
whole point of the "Reconcile" function? I like to know my
bank/broker/CC hasn't screwed up and reconciling my account(s) each
month is the way I do that. It only takes a minute. And please don't
tell me they don't make mistakes. The reason I know they screw up is
because I *don't* just download their numbers without reconciling them
to mine.
Or maybe I'm missing something?

Port


Posted by Andrew on February 17, 2008, 7:40 pm
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PortStG@nospam.invalid wrote:
> On 14 Feb 08 wrote:
> ...
> Am I the only Quicken user that prefers to NOT download their
> Bank/Broker/CC data? I mean, by doing that, don't you eliminate the
> whole point of the "Reconcile" function? I like to know my
> bank/broker/CC hasn't screwed up and reconciling my account(s) each
> month is the way I do that. It only takes a minute.
> ...
> Port

I download all my transactions, but have a series of 'canned' reports
organized by how the paperwork comes to me at the end of each month by FI.
That way, I can easily see if my Q numbers match the paper numbers. Best of
both worlds; I don't have to enter a series of digits (with purchasing of
fractional shares of dividend stocks each month, that can lead to errors
rather easily...). As Ronnie once said, "Trust, but verify"!

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Regards -

- Andrew



Posted by Bernie on February 18, 2008, 1:27 am
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On 2/17/2008 4:23 PM, PortStG@nospam.invalid wrote:
> On 14 Feb 08 wrote:
>> Quicken is discontinuing support and functionality for Quicken 2005. Is
>> there any other program that can read Quicken files (I don't want to
>> loose existing work) and can download account information from banks and
>> credit card companies?
>
> Sorry, I can't answer your question(s). But I have one of my own.
> Am I the only Quicken user that prefers to NOT download their
> Bank/Broker/CC data? I mean, by doing that, don't you eliminate the
> whole point of the "Reconcile" function? I like to know my
> bank/broker/CC hasn't screwed up and reconciling my account(s) each
> month is the way I do that. It only takes a minute. And please don't
> tell me they don't make mistakes. The reason I know they screw up is
> because I *don't* just download their numbers without reconciling them
> to mine.
> Or maybe I'm missing something?
>
> Port
>
No, I don't think that eliminates the point of the reconcile function at
all, and yes, I think that perhaps you have missed something.
Downloading transactions and balances from banks/brokers/credit cards
simplifies and speeds up reconciliation.

Of course if ALL you do is download transactions then there is nothing
to reconcile against. If you enter transactions manually, daily, weekly
or monthly, then each time you download you quickly get to do an
"interim" reconciliation. I find that very useful. Then when you get a
statement from the financial institution reconciliation should take only
a few seconds!

Of course some people do think that mistakes are so rare and so
insignificant that it isn't worth entering transactions yourself and
having them compared to the downloaded transactions. That isn't my
preference, but that is why we have freedom of choice.

Bernie

Posted by JimH on February 18, 2008, 12:48 pm
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PortStG@nospam.invalid wrote:
> On 14 Feb 08 wrote:
>> Quicken is discontinuing support and functionality for Quicken 2005. Is
>> there any other program that can read Quicken files (I don't want to
>> loose existing work) and can download account information from banks and
>> credit card companies?
>
> Sorry, I can't answer your question(s). But I have one of my own.
> Am I the only Quicken user that prefers to NOT download their
> Bank/Broker/CC data? I mean, by doing that, don't you eliminate the
> whole point of the "Reconcile" function? I like to know my
> bank/broker/CC hasn't screwed up and reconciling my account(s) each
> month is the way I do that. It only takes a minute. And please don't
> tell me they don't make mistakes. The reason I know they screw up is
> because I *don't* just download their numbers without reconciling them
> to mine.
> Or maybe I'm missing something?
>
> Port
>

I download all of my accounts, and examine each transaction when it is
downloaded. That is the way the download function works. The
transactions appear in a smaller window below the register window. You
can accept them all or each one individually, or you can edit them if
needed.

This lets me catch potential problems quicker. It adds insurance that if
someone stole a credit card number, I'd be aware of it very quickly. It
let me catch a double charge to my credit card by my dentists office on
the day after it occurred. It also prevents typographical errors which
used to account for almost all of the lost time during reconciliation.
In addition, it keeps me informed of dividends, splits, and any other
transactions that I didn't initiate.

I also reconcile my accounts when the statement arrives. All of my
accounts download in less than 3 minutes a day. Reconciliation which
used to occasionally be painful usually takes two minutes or less.

I've been using financial software since MYM in the late 80's. I think
it was about $150.00 at the time. I've done manual entry, and my
finances were a lot simpler then. With the addition of investment
accounts, IRA's, and multiple bank accounts, I'd definitely not want to
go back to manual entry.

---
Jim


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