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Don't have a position in the Destination Account JCO 05-15-2008
Posted by JimH on May 19, 2008, 9:25 pm
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JCO wrote:
> Then what, in your opinion, is the account that you would of used for my
> situation. I opened a Mutual fund already. This is a Mutual Fund that I
> will make monthly deposit into as an investment. It will be set up for
> automatic draft.
>
> I opened an account with T.Rowe Price and the fund name is Health & Science
> (ticker is PRSHX). The only thing I will be doing is monthly deposits until
> .... one day ... . the fund is cashed out (hopefully a long time).
>

As far as the Quicken mechanics of it, I would have created an account
in Quicken called "T.Rowe Price Brokerage". I would then have deposited
cash into the account, as your automatic draft is doing, and bought
shares of PRSHX within that account. That would leave flexibility for
when you decide to have some other mutual funds within that brokerage
account.

That is how I did it with our Wachovia Brokerage account. We have
several mutual funds in that account, along with stocks, Money Market,
and CD's. It is also how I did it with my Vanguard IRA Account which now
holds shares in 10 different mutual funds. Together, they provide a
great deal of diversity. That protects against a major downturn in any
one sector or geography.

I don't know anything about PRSHX, but one sector specific mutual fund
is probably not going to provide an appropriate asset allocation for all
of your investing for a lifetime. You might want to look at
http://www.diehards.org/forum/index.php . They discuss long term
investment planning and asset allocation. There are some very
knowledgeable people there, and they are willing to give advice on asset
allocation, and general investing.

--
Jim

Posted by JCO on May 20, 2008, 8:00 am
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Are you saying... to create two accounts
1. Cash Account ... this is where my monthly automatic monthly drafts
go too.
2. Create the Mutual Fund Account
Then each month, do a BuyX into the Mutual Fund from the Cash Account.
Also, this Cash Account can be used for multiple Mutual Fund Investments or
other Investments.

If this is correct, I'm not sure what the advantages are of having the Cash
Account vs the transferees coming straight out of my Checking Account (which
I consider to be a cash account).

I might not be understanding the process correctly. Forgive me for being
such a pest.



> JCO wrote:
>> Then what, in your opinion, is the account that you would of used for my
>> situation. I opened a Mutual fund already. This is a Mutual Fund that I
>> will make monthly deposit into as an investment. It will be set up for
>> automatic draft.
>>
>> I opened an account with T.Rowe Price and the fund name is Health &
>> Science (ticker is PRSHX). The only thing I will be doing is monthly
>> deposits until .... one day ... . the fund is cashed out (hopefully a
>> long time).
>>
>
> As far as the Quicken mechanics of it, I would have created an account in
> Quicken called "T.Rowe Price Brokerage". I would then have deposited cash
> into the account, as your automatic draft is doing, and bought shares of
> PRSHX within that account. That would leave flexibility for when you
> decide to have some other mutual funds within that brokerage account.
>
> That is how I did it with our Wachovia Brokerage account. We have several
> mutual funds in that account, along with stocks, Money Market, and CD's.
> It is also how I did it with my Vanguard IRA Account which now holds
> shares in 10 different mutual funds. Together, they provide a great deal
> of diversity. That protects against a major downturn in any one sector or
> geography.
>
> I don't know anything about PRSHX, but one sector specific mutual fund is
> probably not going to provide an appropriate asset allocation for all of
> your investing for a lifetime. You might want to look at
> http://www.diehards.org/forum/index.php . They discuss long term
> investment planning and asset allocation. There are some very
> knowledgeable people there, and they are willing to give advice on asset
> allocation, and general investing.
>
> --
> Jim


Posted by JimH on May 20, 2008, 10:47 am
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JCO wrote:
> Are you saying... to create two accounts
> 1. Cash Account ... this is where my monthly automatic monthly
> drafts go too.
> 2. Create the Mutual Fund Account
> Then each month, do a BuyX into the Mutual Fund from the Cash Account.


No. The mutual fund is NOT an account. It is an investment held in your
T. Rowe Price investment account. Think of it this way... You open an
account at a brokerage. You buy and sell investments. When you sell off
an investment, you still have the account, and you can buy other
investments in that account. A mutual fund isn't like an account at all.
It is one investment within an account. You can't buy and sell an
account, only an investment.

Create one investment account "T. Rowe Price Brokerage". That can hold
cash, mutual funds, individual stocks, or any other investments.
Transfer cash into the T. Row Price account. The cash should come from
some other account, perhaps your checking account or your pay check. It
should reflect what is really happening. That transfer will create a
cash balance within the brokerage account. Use buy transactions within
the account to buy the shares of your mutual fund. That will reduce the
cash in the account.

That is how it works in the real world. When you set up Quicken to
mirror real world activity, it works much better, and provides the
flexibility that is inevitably needed in investing.

The way you are doing it is exactly how I did it at first. Then, I owned
the same mutual fund in two different accounts. That was when I had to
figure out how it really worked. Believe me, once you get this part
straightened out in your mind, it all becomes much easier.

--
Jim

Posted by scott s. on May 21, 2008, 4:32 am
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> JCO wrote:
>> Are you saying... to create two accounts
>> 1. Cash Account ... this is where my monthly automatic monthly
>> drafts go too.
>> 2. Create the Mutual Fund Account
>> Then each month, do a BuyX into the Mutual Fund from the Cash
>> Account.
>
>
> No. The mutual fund is NOT an account. It is an investment held in
> your T. Rowe Price investment account. Think of it this way... You
> open an account at a brokerage. You buy and sell investments. When
> you sell off an investment, you still have the account, and you can
> buy other investments in that account. A mutual fund isn't like an
> account at all. It is one investment within an account. You can't
> buy and sell an account, only an investment.
>
> Create one investment account "T. Rowe Price Brokerage". That can
> hold cash, mutual funds, individual stocks, or any other
> investments. Transfer cash into the T. Row Price account. The cash
> should come from some other account, perhaps your checking account
> or your pay check. It should reflect what is really happening. That
> transfer will create a cash balance within the brokerage account.
> Use buy transactions within the account to buy the shares of your
> mutual fund. That will reduce the cash in the account.
>
> That is how it works in the real world. When you set up Quicken to
> mirror real world activity, it works much better, and provides the
> flexibility that is inevitably needed in investing.
>
> The way you are doing it is exactly how I did it at first. Then, I
> owned the same mutual fund in two different accounts. That was when
> I had to figure out how it really worked. Believe me, once you get
> this part straightened out in your mind, it all becomes much easier.

I don't like the single mutual fund acct either, but in the case of
T Rowe Price, you can only download transactions from a single
mutual fund, tied to the account number which is different for
each fund you own at TRP. So I use my TRP Prime Reserve since
it pays a div every month (reinvested). The other ones generally
only pay semi-annually or anually, and I don't do that much in
the way of buy / sells. That way even though they are all accounted
for in a single TRP Quicken acct it works, except that Quicken
complains that my account balances are wrong.

scott s.
.


Posted by John Pollard on May 21, 2008, 9:02 am
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scott s. wrote:

> I don't like the single mutual fund acct either, but in the
> case of
> T Rowe Price, you can only download transactions from a single
> mutual fund, tied to the account number which is different for
> each fund you own at TRP. So I use my TRP Prime Reserve since
> it pays a div every month (reinvested). The other ones
> generally
> only pay semi-annually or anually, and I don't do that much in
> the way of buy / sells. That way even though they are all
> accounted
> for in a single TRP Quicken acct it works, except that Quicken
> complains that my account balances are wrong.

Even if a user needs a single Quicken account for each mutual
fund owned at certain financial institutions; there is still no
need to use a Single Mutual Fund account for the purpose. A
regular Quicken brokerage account can hold only one security, if
necessary: you can have as many Quicken brokerage accounts as
you have mutual funds, one account for each fund. Without the
restrictions of the SMF account.

--

John Pollard
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