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Entering Social Security Retirement Check Stewart Berman 09-03-2006
Posted by R. C. White on December 4, 2006, 12:50 pm
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Whoops! I didn't notice the date on this old thread before I posted.

RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Currently running Vista x64)

Posted by JM on September 3, 2006, 8:23 pm
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Stewart Berman wrote:
> How do I setup a Social Security retirement check in Quicken --
> including breaking it into it's taxable and non taxable components?
>
> I assume it is some sort of split transaction but what kind?

Here's how I handle mine:

Create an icome category; e.g., SocSec_Self, [or SocSec_Spouse].
Assign tax line item; 'Form 1040:Social Security Income, self'' [or
spouse]
Assuming you are taking advantage of the Medicare Part B coverage -
create an expense category; e.g., Medical:Part B, self, and assign tax
line item Schedule A:Medicare Part B Premium, self.

Create a scheduled transaction with splits.
The first split item is the total monthly income
The second split item is the deduction for Medicare Part B.
The net is the deposit to your account.

There is no way within QW to determine the taxable/non-taxable portion
in advance - that depends on other income such as taxable retirement
account draws, pension payments, investment income including interest,
dividends and cap gains/losses, etc. Your tax program [e.g., TTax]
rolls all of this info together and makes the determination in the
SocSec worksheet at year end.

QW's Tax Planner assumes SS income is 100% taxable by default - one
reason I don't find the Tax Planner feature useful. I do use last years
version of TTax to estimate this years taxes and this gives me an
estimate of the taxable/non-taxable split for SocSec income. One can
then use this info from TTax and make an adjustment in the Tax Planner
if desired. I see no advantage to creating an extra split in the
deposit transaction to try and identify the taxable/non-taxable
portions.


Posted by JM on September 3, 2006, 10:16 pm
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JM wrote:
> Stewart Berman wrote:
> > How do I setup a Social Security retirement check in Quicken --
> > including breaking it into it's taxable and non taxable components?
> >
> > I assume it is some sort of split transaction but what kind?
>
> Here's how I handle mine:
>
> Create an icome category; e.g., SocSec_Self, [or SocSec_Spouse].
> Assign tax line item; 'Form 1040:Social Security Income, self'' [or
> spouse]
> Assuming you are taking advantage of the Medicare Part B coverage -
> create an expense category; e.g., Medical:Part B, self, and assign tax
> line item Schedule A:Medicare Part B Premium, self.
>
> Create a scheduled transaction with splits.
> The first split item is the total monthly income
> The second split item is the deduction for Medicare Part B.
> The net is the deposit to your account.
>
> There is no way within QW to determine the taxable/non-taxable portion
> in advance - that depends on other income such as taxable retirement
> account draws, pension payments, investment income including interest,
> dividends and cap gains/losses, etc. Your tax program [e.g., TTax]
> rolls all of this info together and makes the determination in the
> SocSec worksheet at year end.
>
> QW's Tax Planner assumes SS income is 100% taxable by default - one
> reason I don't find the Tax Planner feature useful. I do use last years
> version of TTax to estimate this years taxes and this gives me an
> estimate of the taxable/non-taxable split for SocSec income. One can
> then use this info from TTax and make an adjustment in the Tax Planner
> if desired. I see no advantage to creating an extra split in the
> deposit transaction to try and identify the taxable/non-taxable
> portions.

Has occurred to me that if you are using or plan to use the tax
reporting capabilities of QW and do plan to interface with TTax, one
should not attempt to split the entry in QW between taxable and
non-taxable. This would defeat, or at least complicate the tax handling
in TTax [or other tax software].


Posted by Arnie Goetchius on September 4, 2006, 11:06 am
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JM wrote:
> Stewart Berman wrote:
==snipped==
> QW's Tax Planner assumes SS income is 100% taxable by default - one
> reason I don't find the Tax Planner feature useful. I do use last years
> version of TTax to estimate this years taxes and this gives me an
> estimate of the taxable/non-taxable split for SocSec income.

Same here. Using TTAX (or TaxCut) is the only way to get a reliable
estimate of taxes. It not only does SS correctly but you can also adjust
dividend income estimates: e.g. qualified vs non-qualified, dividends
from Master Limited Partnerships not reported on DIV-1099 but reported
on K-1, etc.

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