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Help - Payment question (Q2006) Air Force Jayhawk 08-13-2006
Posted by Arnie Goetchius on August 14, 2006, 12:18 pm
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Lisa C wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:15:45 -0700, Air Force Jayhawk
>>
>>> My wife likes to enter known, big payments a full month in advance so
>>> she can budget for the rest of the month. Needless to say I don't
>>> want to actually pay my mortgage a full month early. So here's my
>>> question...if she selects "enter" from the screen that shows all my
>>> scheduled payments, what actually happens?
>>>
>>> - Does it pay the bill immediately?
>>>
>>> - Or does it merely send the transaction to the bank, and the bank
>>> holds it until the date specified and then pays it?
>>>
>>> Is there a reason NOT to do this that I haven't considered?
>>>
>>> My thought would be to create a generic payment as a placeholder that
>>> simply went into the register a month early...when the actual payment
>>> was made I then delete the place holder. But, if entering it early
>>> isn't a problem, then this is simply that much more unnecessary work
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> Anybody? This should be an easy question...
>
> What happens depends on how you schedule the transaction, and what you use
> as the payment method.
>
> Note that you can set up the scheduled transaction to automatically enter in
> the register or to remind you to enter into the register. So, simply
> scheduling a recurring transaction does NOT do anything other than creating
> an entry in the calendar. Nothing happens until the payment is 'entered'
> into the register.
>
> Once entered, a transaction with the payment method of 'Online Payment' will
> show 'Send Payment' in the check number field. The payment will be processed
> at the time you physically 'send' it (from the online center or online
> update), with an 'arrival' date of the date you indicate. It has been my
> experience that online payments can arrive a day or so early, not much more
> than that. Quicken requires a few days to process an online payment, and any
> early payment arrivals have more to do with that window of time than with
> what date you use the update button.

I don't know why you say "arrive a day or so early, not much more than
that". For example, on 7/25 I "Sent" my property tax payment to be paid
on 8/15. It has been shown in the register ever since 7/25 but the On
line balance does not reflect any change because the bank has yet to pay
it. Of course, tomorrow being 8/15, it will be paid and my on line
balance will go down.

>
> Once entered, a transaction with the type of 'payment' simply is in the
> register. Nothing happens until you physically print a check, or decide to
> pay online.
>
> Any 'placeholder' transactions entered will not affect you much... but it is
> really not necessary to use them, as the calendar will show ALL scheduled
> transactions, and a running balance for the account.
>
> Scheduling payments is a wonderful way to track your cash flow. I personally
> have 'scheduled' amounts for weekly deposit, weekly grocery, and weekly cash
> withdrawal. The calendar then shows me what my account balance looks like.
> The register is unaffected, as I use the 'remind me' option during
> scheduling. When I go to the grocery store, or use the ATM, I enter the
> ACTUAL transaction. Quicken gives me an option to 'skip' the scheduled ones.
>
>

Posted by Lisa C on August 14, 2006, 7:10 pm
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>
>
> Lisa C wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:15:45 -0700, Air Force Jayhawk
>>>
>>>> My wife likes to enter known, big payments a full month in advance so
>>>> she can budget for the rest of the month. Needless to say I don't
>>>> want to actually pay my mortgage a full month early. So here's my
>>>> question...if she selects "enter" from the screen that shows all my
>>>> scheduled payments, what actually happens?
>>>>
>>>> - Does it pay the bill immediately?
>>>>
>>>> - Or does it merely send the transaction to the bank, and the bank
>>>> holds it until the date specified and then pays it?
>>>>
>>>> Is there a reason NOT to do this that I haven't considered?
>>>>
>>>> My thought would be to create a generic payment as a placeholder that
>>>> simply went into the register a month early...when the actual payment
>>>> was made I then delete the place holder. But, if entering it early
>>>> isn't a problem, then this is simply that much more unnecessary work
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Anybody? This should be an easy question...
>>
>> What happens depends on how you schedule the transaction, and what you
>> use as the payment method.
>>
>> Note that you can set up the scheduled transaction to automatically enter
>> in the register or to remind you to enter into the register. So, simply
>> scheduling a recurring transaction does NOT do anything other than
>> creating an entry in the calendar. Nothing happens until the payment is
>> 'entered' into the register.
>>
>> Once entered, a transaction with the payment method of 'Online Payment'
>> will show 'Send Payment' in the check number field. The payment will be
>> processed at the time you physically 'send' it (from the online center or
>> online update), with an 'arrival' date of the date you indicate. It has
>> been my experience that online payments can arrive a day or so early, not
>> much more than that. Quicken requires a few days to process an online
>> payment, and any early payment arrivals have more to do with that window
>> of time than with what date you use the update button.
>
> I don't know why you say "arrive a day or so early, not much more than
> that". For example, on 7/25 I "Sent" my property tax payment to be paid on
> 8/15. It has been shown in the register ever since 7/25 but the On line
> balance does not reflect any change because the bank has yet to pay it. Of
> course, tomorrow being 8/15, it will be paid and my on line balance will
> go down.
>
Why I said it is that it has happened to me.

An online payment that generates a physical check (such as a payment to a
doctor, dentist, or other individual) is cut and mailed and *CAN* arrive
early. If the payee deposits it early, the bank may or may not catch the
'post' date.

And yes, there was a case or two of an online payment via EFT that has ALSO
processed early.

In these cases, the money was in the account and there were no problems. If
there *HAD* been an overdraft, I for sure would have fought the bank on the
fees, as the payments were processed before the date on the draft.



Posted by Arnie Goetchius on August 14, 2006, 8:40 pm
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Lisa C wrote:
>>
>> Lisa C wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:15:45 -0700, Air Force Jayhawk
>>>>
>>>>> My wife likes to enter known, big payments a full month in advance so
>>>>> she can budget for the rest of the month. Needless to say I don't
>>>>> want to actually pay my mortgage a full month early. So here's my
>>>>> question...if she selects "enter" from the screen that shows all my
>>>>> scheduled payments, what actually happens?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Does it pay the bill immediately?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Or does it merely send the transaction to the bank, and the bank
>>>>> holds it until the date specified and then pays it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a reason NOT to do this that I haven't considered?
>>>>>
>>>>> My thought would be to create a generic payment as a placeholder that
>>>>> simply went into the register a month early...when the actual payment
>>>>> was made I then delete the place holder. But, if entering it early
>>>>> isn't a problem, then this is simply that much more unnecessary work
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>> Anybody? This should be an easy question...
>>> What happens depends on how you schedule the transaction, and what you
>>> use as the payment method.
>>>
>>> Note that you can set up the scheduled transaction to automatically enter
>>> in the register or to remind you to enter into the register. So, simply
>>> scheduling a recurring transaction does NOT do anything other than
>>> creating an entry in the calendar. Nothing happens until the payment is
>>> 'entered' into the register.
>>>
>>> Once entered, a transaction with the payment method of 'Online Payment'
>>> will show 'Send Payment' in the check number field. The payment will be
>>> processed at the time you physically 'send' it (from the online center or
>>> online update), with an 'arrival' date of the date you indicate. It has
>>> been my experience that online payments can arrive a day or so early, not
>>> much more than that. Quicken requires a few days to process an online
>>> payment, and any early payment arrivals have more to do with that window
>>> of time than with what date you use the update button.
>> I don't know why you say "arrive a day or so early, not much more than
>> that". For example, on 7/25 I "Sent" my property tax payment to be paid on
>> 8/15. It has been shown in the register ever since 7/25 but the On line
>> balance does not reflect any change because the bank has yet to pay it. Of
>> course, tomorrow being 8/15, it will be paid and my on line balance will
>> go down.
>>
> Why I said it is that it has happened to me.
>
> An online payment that generates a physical check (such as a payment to a
> doctor, dentist, or other individual) is cut and mailed and *CAN* arrive
> early. If the payee deposits it early, the bank may or may not catch the
> 'post' date.
>
> And yes, there was a case or two of an online payment via EFT that has ALSO
> processed early.
>
> In these cases, the money was in the account and there were no problems. If
> there *HAD* been an overdraft, I for sure would have fought the bank on the
> fees, as the payments were processed before the date on the draft.
>
>

I can see why you are gun shy with that experience. My bank (Wachovia)
has never been early or late.

Posted by Lisa C on August 16, 2006, 6:01 pm
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> Lisa C wrote:
>>>
>>> Lisa C wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:15:45 -0700, Air Force Jayhawk
>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife likes to enter known, big payments a full month in advance so
>>>>>> she can budget for the rest of the month. Needless to say I don't
>>>>>> want to actually pay my mortgage a full month early. So here's my
>>>>>> question...if she selects "enter" from the screen that shows all my
>>>>>> scheduled payments, what actually happens?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Does it pay the bill immediately?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Or does it merely send the transaction to the bank, and the bank
>>>>>> holds it until the date specified and then pays it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a reason NOT to do this that I haven't considered?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My thought would be to create a generic payment as a placeholder that
>>>>>> simply went into the register a month early...when the actual payment
>>>>>> was made I then delete the place holder. But, if entering it early
>>>>>> isn't a problem, then this is simply that much more unnecessary work
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Anybody? This should be an easy question...
>>>> What happens depends on how you schedule the transaction, and what you
>>>> use as the payment method.
>>>>
>>>> Note that you can set up the scheduled transaction to automatically
>>>> enter in the register or to remind you to enter into the register. So,
>>>> simply scheduling a recurring transaction does NOT do anything other
>>>> than creating an entry in the calendar. Nothing happens until the
>>>> payment is 'entered' into the register.
>>>>
>>>> Once entered, a transaction with the payment method of 'Online Payment'
>>>> will show 'Send Payment' in the check number field. The payment will be
>>>> processed at the time you physically 'send' it (from the online center
>>>> or online update), with an 'arrival' date of the date you indicate. It
>>>> has been my experience that online payments can arrive a day or so
>>>> early, not much more than that. Quicken requires a few days to process
>>>> an online payment, and any early payment arrivals have more to do with
>>>> that window of time than with what date you use the update button.
>>> I don't know why you say "arrive a day or so early, not much more than
>>> that". For example, on 7/25 I "Sent" my property tax payment to be paid
>>> on 8/15. It has been shown in the register ever since 7/25 but the On
>>> line balance does not reflect any change because the bank has yet to pay
>>> it. Of course, tomorrow being 8/15, it will be paid and my on line
>>> balance will go down.
>>>
>> Why I said it is that it has happened to me.
>>
>> An online payment that generates a physical check (such as a payment to a
>> doctor, dentist, or other individual) is cut and mailed and *CAN* arrive
>> early. If the payee deposits it early, the bank may or may not catch the
>> 'post' date.
>>
>> And yes, there was a case or two of an online payment via EFT that has
>> ALSO processed early.
>>
>> In these cases, the money was in the account and there were no problems.
>> If there *HAD* been an overdraft, I for sure would have fought the bank
>> on the fees, as the payments were processed before the date on the draft.
>
> I can see why you are gun shy with that experience. My bank (Wachovia) has
> never been early or late.

My bank (Wachovia) has ;-)

Like I said, tho, I am not gunshy.. it was not a problem. Since the original
post asked what could happen if transactions are entered early, I felt it
important to point that out.



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