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How do I clear the memory of imported transactions? trapper.markelz 06-20-2007
Posted by trapper.markelz on June 20, 2007, 9:14 pm
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I recently did an update with my 401k provider (Schwab). When the
transactions were imported and accepted, it caused some havoc with
some internal account share transfers... I deleted the transactions
that were messed up, corrected my problems... but when I went to re-
sync with the 401k file, it is saying there are no new transactions.

Is there a way to tell Quicken to import them again? Even though I
deleted them, Quicken still acts like they have already been imported,
so now the data is missing.

Any way to get around this and treat the entries in the .qfx file as
new?

Thanks for any help,
Trapper


Posted by Bob Wang on June 20, 2007, 9:27 pm
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Trapper:

John is the go-to guy for these kinds of issues.
My input would be to offer that I download my 401(k) from Schwab using
Direct Connect, and have not seen a *.qfx file associated with my downloads.
There was one time when I did have problems with one of my files, and I took
the Draconian measure of deleting my *.qel file, NOT RECOMMENDED!
John should be able to give you more helpful advice.

Bob

>>>
I recently did an update with my 401k provider (Schwab). When the
transactions were imported and accepted, it caused some havoc with
some internal account share transfers... I deleted the transactions
that were messed up, corrected my problems... but when I went to re-
sync with the 401k file, it is saying there are no new transactions.

Is there a way to tell Quicken to import them again? Even though I
deleted them, Quicken still acts like they have already been imported,
so now the data is missing.

Any way to get around this and treat the entries in the .qfx file as
new?

Thanks for any help,
Trapper



Posted by John Pollard on June 21, 2007, 1:15 pm
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trapper.markelz@gmail.com wrote:
> I recently did an update with my 401k provider (Schwab). When
> the
> transactions were imported and accepted, it caused some havoc
> with
> some internal account share transfers... I deleted the
> transactions
> that were messed up, corrected my problems... but when I went
> to re-
> sync with the 401k file, it is saying there are no new
> transactions.
>
> Is there a way to tell Quicken to import them again? Even
> though I
> deleted them, Quicken still acts like they have already been
> imported,
> so now the data is missing.
>
> Any way to get around this and treat the entries in the .qfx
> file as
> new?

Here is my understanding.

Quicken is designed to "remember" which transactions you have
downloaded before; if you delete downloaded transactions, you
should only do so if you don't want to download them again.
Imagine the uproar from folks who intended to permanently delete
downloaded transactions, if those deleted downloaded
transactions kept appearing in subsequent downloads.

I believe Quicken remembers which transasactions were downloaded
by specific Quicken account. So, for example, you should be
able to create a new Quicken account (in the same Quicken file)
and re-download (available) transactions, that had been deleted,
to that new Quicken account. And if the account in question was
a non-investment account for a newer version of Quicken (post
Q2004, I believe), that might be a good strategy since, in
Quicken, you can now select multiple non-investment account
transactions and cut/copy/past or move them to another
non-investment account.

But you can only cut/copy/paste one transaction at a time in
investment accounts, so the above approach may not be as
inviting.

To overcome the cut/copy/paste limitations for investment
accounts, you could still create a new (temporary) investment
account, import the previously downloaded transactions to the
new investment account, export those transactions to a QIF file,
then import that QIF file to the regular investment account,
then delete the temporary account. Importing qif files into
Quicken versions later than Q2004 requires a bit of fiddling
with the QIF file and a slightly different import procedure.

Alternatively: If you have a qfx file of the transactions you
deleted, and (I believe) the qfx file came from a Web Connect
download, I think there is a workaround for getting Quicken to
import the previously downloaded transactions directly from the
qfx file.

The way Quicken keeps track of which transactions have been
downloaded is by a unique transaction id created by the
financial institution. To get Quicken to import transactions
that were previously imported, you can modify that transaction
id (in the qfx file) to be something that is guaranteed to be
unique (not only unique to previous downloads, but unique for
all future downloads (from that fi).

The qfx file is basically HTML and it can be modified in a word
processor. The field you want to modify will have a tag of
<FITID>, I believe. While that field can be as long as 255
characters, I think it is recommended that it not exceed 32
characters.

Your task would be to find a way to modify the contents of the
<FITID> field to make it unique for that fi/account for all
time. I think this should not be too difficult to do. If you
check the <FITID> for some of the transactions in the qfx file,
you should get an idea of the method the fi uses to create the
FITID (often it is some combination of date/time and possibly
some other info). You may be able to just affix a one, or two,
character suffix to the existing FITID to accomplish the goal.

--
John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
Please reply to newsgroup



Posted by trapper.markelz on June 21, 2007, 5:12 pm
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> trapper.mark...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I recently did an update with my 401k provider (Schwab). When
> > the
> > transactions were imported and accepted, it caused some havoc
> > with
> > some internal account share transfers... I deleted the
> > transactions
> > that were messed up, corrected my problems... but when I went
> > to re-
> > sync with the 401k file, it is saying there are no new
> > transactions.
>
> > Is there a way to tell Quicken to import them again? Even
> > though I
> > deleted them, Quicken still acts like they have already been
> > imported,
> > so now the data is missing.
>
> > Any way to get around this and treat the entries in the .qfx
> > file as
> > new?
>
> Here is my understanding.
>
> Quicken is designed to "remember" which transactions you have
> downloaded before; if you delete downloaded transactions, you
> should only do so if you don't want to download them again.
> Imagine the uproar from folks who intended to permanently delete
> downloaded transactions, if those deleted downloaded
> transactions kept appearing in subsequent downloads.
>
> I believe Quicken remembers which transasactions were downloaded
> by specific Quicken account. So, for example, you should be
> able to create a new Quicken account (in the same Quicken file)
> and re-download (available) transactions, that had been deleted,
> to that new Quicken account. And if the account in question was
> a non-investment account for a newer version of Quicken (post
> Q2004, I believe), that might be a good strategy since, in
> Quicken, you can now select multiple non-investment account
> transactions and cut/copy/past or move them to another
> non-investment account.
>
> But you can only cut/copy/paste one transaction at a time in
> investment accounts, so the above approach may not be as
> inviting.
>
> To overcome the cut/copy/paste limitations for investment
> accounts, you could still create a new (temporary) investment
> account, import the previously downloaded transactions to the
> new investment account, export those transactions to a QIF file,
> then import that QIF file to the regular investment account,
> then delete the temporary account. Importing qif files into
> Quicken versions later than Q2004 requires a bit of fiddling
> with the QIF file and a slightly different import procedure.
>
> Alternatively: If you have a qfx file of the transactions you
> deleted, and (I believe) the qfx file came from a Web Connect
> download, I think there is a workaround for getting Quicken to
> import the previously downloaded transactions directly from the
> qfx file.
>
> The way Quicken keeps track of which transactions have been
> downloaded is by a unique transaction id created by the
> financial institution. To get Quicken to import transactions
> that were previously imported, you can modify that transaction
> id (in the qfx file) to be something that is guaranteed to be
> unique (not only unique to previous downloads, but unique for
> all future downloads (from that fi).
>
> The qfx file is basically HTML and it can be modified in a word
> processor. The field you want to modify will have a tag of
> <FITID>, I believe. While that field can be as long as 255
> characters, I think it is recommended that it not exceed 32
> characters.
>
> Your task would be to find a way to modify the contents of the
> <FITID> field to make it unique for that fi/account for all
> time. I think this should not be too difficult to do. If you
> check the <FITID> for some of the transactions in the qfx file,
> you should get an idea of the method the fi uses to create the
> FITID (often it is some combination of date/time and possibly
> some other info). You may be able to just affix a one, or two,
> character suffix to the existing FITID to accomplish the goal.
>
> --
> John Pollard
> First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
> Please reply to newsgroup

Thanks John for the extrememly well detailed options! I think I will
try creating a new account, exporting the data, importing it into the
account up to the point where the data was bad, and then adding
the .QFX data from Schwab. That sounds like it should do the trick!

Thanks again for the effort and explanation!

Cheers,
Trapper


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