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How to Change Credit Card Nmbr NoSpam 10-27-2007
Posted by NoSpam on October 27, 2007, 3:32 pm
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:28:33 -0700, Andrew DeFaria

>
Personally this would have me very concerned. When "security has been
compromised" to me it says that this company's security and procedures
are lax. This doesn't happen to companies if they pay attention to and
value security of their customers sensitive data like credit card
information.

IOW they screwed up big time and the chances are pretty high that
such a thing can happen again. As such I would definitely be thinking
twice before continuing a financial relationship with them.


Andrew all this fine, but all I know is some company I used this
credit are with had a problem. Citi Bank is not telling me who
leaked the data.



Posted by Andrew DeFaria on October 28, 2007, 7:35 pm
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NoSpam@Notwork.com wrote:
> Andrew all this fine, but all I know is some company I used this
> credit are with had a problem. Citi Bank is not telling me who leaked
> the data.
And *that* would also concern me! I believe that good work should be
rewarded *and* bad work should be exposed! Perhaps you don't want to
deal with that 3rd party anymore. You should have the right to know who
screwed up and what the screw up was so that you can judge for yourself
and vote with your wallet.
--
Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
That's a hell of an ambition, to be mellow. It's like wanting to be
senile. - Randy Newman

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<blockquote cite="mid:tc47i3dorilvr6h6r4bjurqabk97ta3f3l@4ax.com"
type="cite">Andrew all this fine, but all I know is some company I
used this credit are with had a problem. Citi Bank is not telling me
who leaked the data.<br>
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And <b>that</b> would also concern me! I believe that good work should
be rewarded <b>and</b> bad work should be exposed! Perhaps you don't
want to deal with that 3rd party anymore. You should have the right to
know who screwed up and what the screw up was so that you can judge for
yourself and vote with your wallet.<br>
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Posted by jo on November 4, 2007, 12:42 pm
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> NoS...@Notwork.com wrote:
> > Andrew all this fine, but all I know is some company I used this
> > credit are with had a problem. Citi Bank is not telling me who leaked
> > the data.
>
> And *that* would also concern me! I believe that good work should be
> rewarded *and* bad work should be exposed! Perhaps you don't want to
> deal with that 3rd party anymore. You should have the right to know who
> screwed up and what the screw up was so that you can judge for yourself
> and vote with your wallet.
> --
> Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
> That's a hell of an ambition, to be mellow. It's like wanting to be
> senile. - Randy Newman

Andrew,

My Chase Visa was compromised recently. Their fraud department called
me within 1 day of seeing strange charges. I don't know how they
figured out that I don't shop at Abercrombie and Fitch, but I thought
they were very quick to detect a problem.

Stealing credit card numbers has become common place. I don't know how
it was done, but I can't blame the credit card companies for it. They
sent me a new card in two days and of course I'm not liable for the
$800 or so charges that were made.


Posted by Andrew DeFaria on November 4, 2007, 2:19 pm
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jo wrote:
>> NoS...@Notwork.com wrote:
>>> Andrew all this fine, but all I know is some company I used this
>>> credit are with had a problem. Citi Bank is not telling me who
>>> leaked the data.
>> And *that* would also concern me! I believe that good work should be
>> rewarded *and* bad work should be exposed! Perhaps you don't want to
>> deal with that 3rd party anymore. You should have the right to know
>> who screwed up and what the screw up was so that you can judge for
>> yourself and vote with your wallet.
> Andrew,
>
> My Chase Visa was compromised recently. Their fraud department called
> me within 1 day of seeing strange charges. I don't know how they
> figured out that I don't shop at Abercrombie and Fitch, but I thought
> they were very quick to detect a problem.
>
> Stealing credit card numbers has become common place. I don't know how
> it was done, but I can't blame the credit card companies for it. They
> sent me a new card in two days and of course I'm not liable for the
> $800 or so charges that were made.
This is decidedly different than what was stated. In your situation the
credit card company did nothing to hide any data. It did nothing to
conceal anything either. It was totally upfront with you and indeed even
proactive in that it noticed it and called you. All commendable traits
and worthy of praise.

No I was talking about a company that would refused to divulge a leak of
data compromising my credit. That's way different don't you agree?

And while I'm here I also believe that there's a world of difference
between a company saying "Well we just don't know how this happened, we
are investigating"... *and* they send you a report of what the
investigation revealed. Hey companies! It's perfectly OK to not be able
to figure it out. It's the hiding of the process, the investigation,
etc. that gives customers the feeling that you are incompetent and/or
covering up a mistake made without taking the appropriate measures to
correct the situation! That's what makes people feel good about your
company - you keep things up front, inform and treat your customers with
respect and do the proper investigation, retribution and correction of
the problem to ensure that it will be much less likely to happen again.
Anything short of that and no, you don't deserve my business - period!
--
Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.

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jo wrote:
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cite="mid:1194198172.478004.274080@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com"
type="cite">On Oct 28, 6:35 pm, Andrew DeFaria
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<blockquote type="cite"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
<blockquote type="cite">Andrew all this fine, but all I know is
some company I used this credit are with had a problem. Citi Bank is
not telling me who leaked the data.<br>
</blockquote>
And *that* would also concern me! I believe that good work should be
rewarded *and* bad work should be exposed! Perhaps you don't want to
deal with that 3rd party anymore. You should have the right to know who
screwed up and what the screw up was so that you can judge for yourself
and vote with your wallet.<br>
</blockquote>
Andrew,<br>
<br>
My Chase Visa was compromised recently. Their fraud department called
me within 1 day of seeing strange charges. I don't know how they
figured out that I don't shop at Abercrombie and Fitch, but I thought
they were very quick to detect a problem.<br>
<br>
Stealing credit card numbers has become common place. I don't know how
it was done, but I can't blame the credit card companies for it. They
sent me a new card in two days and of course I'm not liable for the
$800 or so charges that were made.<br>
</blockquote>
This is decidedly different than what was stated. In your situation the
credit card company did nothing to hide any data. It did nothing to
conceal anything either. It was totally upfront with you and indeed
even proactive in that it noticed it and called you. All commendable
traits and worthy of praise.<br>
<br>
No I was talking about a company that would refused to divulge a leak
of data compromising my credit. That's way different don't you agree? <br>
<br>
And while I'm here I also believe that there's a world of difference
between a company saying "Well we just don't know how this happened, we
are investigating"... <b>and</b> they send you a report of what the
investigation revealed. Hey companies! It's perfectly OK to not be able
to figure it out. It's the hiding of the process, the investigation,
etc. that gives customers the feeling that you are incompetent and/or
covering up a mistake made without taking the appropriate measures to
correct the situation! That's what makes people feel good about your
company - you keep things up front, inform and treat your customers
with respect and do the proper investigation, retribution and
correction of the problem to ensure that it will be much less likely to
happen again. Anything short of that and no, you don't deserve my
business - period!<br>
<div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
<a href="http://defaria.com">Andrew DeFaria</a><br>
<small><font color="#999999">Friends may come and go, but enemies
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Posted by jo on November 5, 2007, 11:39 am
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> jo wrote:
> >> NoS...@Notwork.com wrote:
> >>> Andrew all this fine, but all I know is some company I used this
> >>> credit are with had a problem. Citi Bank is not telling me who
> >>> leaked the data.
> >> And *that* would also concern me! I believe that good work should be
> >> rewarded *and* bad work should be exposed! Perhaps you don't want to
> >> deal with that 3rd party anymore. You should have the right to know
> >> who screwed up and what the screw up was so that you can judge for
> >> yourself and vote with your wallet.
> > Andrew,
>
> > My Chase Visa was compromised recently. Their fraud department called
> > me within 1 day of seeing strange charges. I don't know how they
> > figured out that I don't shop at Abercrombie and Fitch, but I thought
> > they were very quick to detect a problem.
>
> > Stealing credit card numbers has become common place. I don't know how
> > it was done, but I can't blame the credit card companies for it. They
> > sent me a new card in two days and of course I'm not liable for the
> > $800 or so charges that were made.
>
> This is decidedly different than what was stated. In your situation the
> credit card company did nothing to hide any data. It did nothing to
> conceal anything either. It was totally upfront with you and indeed even
> proactive in that it noticed it and called you. All commendable traits
> and worthy of praise.
>
> No I was talking about a company that would refused to divulge a leak of
> data compromising my credit. That's way different don't you agree?
>
> And while I'm here I also believe that there's a world of difference
> between a company saying "Well we just don't know how this happened, we
> are investigating"... *and* they send you a report of what the
> investigation revealed. Hey companies! It's perfectly OK to not be able
> to figure it out. It's the hiding of the process, the investigation,
> etc. that gives customers the feeling that you are incompetent and/or
> covering up a mistake made without taking the appropriate measures to
> correct the situation! That's what makes people feel good about your
> company - you keep things up front, inform and treat your customers with
> respect and do the proper investigation, retribution and correction of
> the problem to ensure that it will be much less likely to happen again.
> Anything short of that and no, you don't deserve my business - period!
> --
> Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
> Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I probably didn't read the details of the thread carefully enough to
see what your point was. I was focused on the Quicken aspect and on
the theme of "credit card fraud", which touched a nerve in my case. I
agree with you there are very big differences in how companies handle
their responsibilities to customers.

jo


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