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How to Handle Vanguard Change to Admiral Shares Les 04-04-2007
Posted by Les on April 4, 2007, 4:56 pm
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I have a Vanguard fund that recently changed from a "regular" fund to an
Admiral fund. This means that there is a slightly lower expense ratio. I
downloaded the Vanguard transactions into Quicken, but in doing so, it seems
that it has caused the the performance of the account to be adversely
affected and be incorrect.

In changing to Admiral shares, the fund symbol changes and the number of
shares changes (since price per share is different). There are 2
transactions in the account register:

1. the action is "removed" and the number of shares are identified of the
regular fund
2. the action is "added" and the numbe of shares of the Admiral fund are
identified.

Anyone have a similar problem with Vanguard fund conversions? Is there a
better way so Quicken does not impact account performance?

Thanks in advance for any help






Posted by John Pollard on April 4, 2007, 6:54 pm
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Les wrote:
> I have a Vanguard fund that recently changed from a
> "regular" fund to an Admiral fund. This means that there
> is a slightly lower expense ratio. I downloaded the
> Vanguard transactions into Quicken, but in doing so, it
> seems that it has caused the the performance of the
> account to be adversely affected and be incorrect.
> In changing to Admiral shares, the fund symbol changes
> and the number of shares changes (since price per share
> is different). There are 2 transactions in the account
> register:
> 1. the action is "removed" and the number of shares are
> identified of the regular fund
> 2. the action is "added" and the numbe of shares of the
> Admiral fund are identified.
>
> Anyone have a similar problem with Vanguard fund
> conversions? Is there a better way so Quicken does not
> impact account performance?

I'm confused by your concern.

Why would you not expect there to be a difference in the
performance of your account? The two funds are different
securities: if they were not different securities, they would
not exist. If their performance was *exactly* the same, there
would be no reason for them to exist as separate securities.

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Posted by Bob L. on April 5, 2007, 1:27 pm
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* John Pollard wrote:
> Les wrote:
>> I have a Vanguard fund that recently changed from a
>> "regular" fund to an Admiral fund. This means that there
>> is a slightly lower expense ratio. I downloaded the
>> Vanguard transactions into Quicken, but in doing so, it
>> seems that it has caused the the performance of the
>> account to be adversely affected and be incorrect.
>> In changing to Admiral shares, the fund symbol changes
>> and the number of shares changes (since price per share
>> is different). There are 2 transactions in the account
>> register:
>> 1. the action is "removed" and the number of shares are
>> identified of the regular fund
>> 2. the action is "added" and the numbe of shares of the
>> Admiral fund are identified.
>>
>> Anyone have a similar problem with Vanguard fund
>> conversions? Is there a better way so Quicken does not
>> impact account performance?
>
> I'm confused by your concern.
>
> Why would you not expect there to be a difference in the
> performance of your account? The two funds are different
> securities: if they were not different securities, they would
> not exist. If their performance was *exactly* the same, there
> would be no reason for them to exist as separate securities.
>

I believe the problem is the download. The correct way to handle a
conversion to admiral shares is to treat it like a stock acquisition,
and the performance measures will then properly reflect the conversion.

Bob L.

Posted by Les on April 8, 2007, 1:30 pm
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Bob-

Thanks for the suggestion to use the corporate acquisition transaction. The
problem has been solved!! I wonder why Vanguard downloads the 2
transactions they do since they mess up the performance measurement??

>* John Pollard wrote:
>> Les wrote:
>>> I have a Vanguard fund that recently changed from a
>>> "regular" fund to an Admiral fund. This means that there
>>> is a slightly lower expense ratio. I downloaded the
>>> Vanguard transactions into Quicken, but in doing so, it
>>> seems that it has caused the the performance of the
>>> account to be adversely affected and be incorrect.
>>> In changing to Admiral shares, the fund symbol changes
>>> and the number of shares changes (since price per share
>>> is different). There are 2 transactions in the account
>>> register:
>>> 1. the action is "removed" and the number of shares are
>>> identified of the regular fund
>>> 2. the action is "added" and the numbe of shares of the
>>> Admiral fund are identified.
>>>
>>> Anyone have a similar problem with Vanguard fund
>>> conversions? Is there a better way so Quicken does not
>>> impact account performance?
>>
>> I'm confused by your concern.
>>
>> Why would you not expect there to be a difference in the
>> performance of your account? The two funds are different
>> securities: if they were not different securities, they would
>> not exist. If their performance was *exactly* the same, there
>> would be no reason for them to exist as separate securities.
>>
>
> I believe the problem is the download. The correct way to handle a
> conversion to admiral shares is to treat it like a stock acquisition, and
> the performance measures will then properly reflect the conversion.
>
> Bob L.



Posted by Don in San Antonio on April 8, 2007, 7:23 pm
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Les said the following on 4/8/2007 12:30 PM:
> Bob-
>
> Thanks for the suggestion to use the corporate acquisition transaction. The
> problem has been solved!! I wonder why Vanguard downloads the 2
> transactions they do since they mess up the performance measurement??
>
Thanks for the question about converting to Vanguard Admiral shares. I
didn't realize the impact this change has on Quicken accounts.

Don

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