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Investment Category? Sharif 09-13-2007
Posted by Sharif on September 13, 2007, 2:12 pm
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I recently withdrew an amount of money from my checking to invest into
my new business (capital) ... what category of expense would that fall
into in Quicken?

Thank you.


Posted by Fred Smith on September 13, 2007, 10:14 pm
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It's an expense only if you think you'll never get your money back, in which
case why did you invest?

It's an asset. Create an asset account, and process the transaction as a
transfer.

--
Regards,
Fred


>I recently withdrew an amount of money from my checking to invest into
> my new business (capital) ... what category of expense would that fall
> into in Quicken?
>
> Thank you.
>



Posted by Sharif on September 14, 2007, 11:30 am
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> It's an expense only if you think you'll never get your money back, in which
> case why did you invest?
>
> It's an asset. Create an asset account, and process the transaction as a
> transfer.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Fred
>
>
>
> >I recently withdrew an amount of money from my checking to invest into
> > my new business (capital) ... what category of expense would that fall
> > into in Quicken?
>
> > Thank you.

Well honestly I didn't plan on getting it back, it was my own
investment into my company and I don't expect it to be paid back to
me, I'd rather the company keeps it. That is why I asked how to
categorize it as an expense.


Posted by R. C. White on September 14, 2007, 12:43 pm
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Hi, Sharif.

Fred's right: It's an investment, an asset, to you.

"Company" is an imprecise term in this case. Is this a corporation? Or a
partnership? Or simply a sole proprietorship owned entirely by you?

If it's a corporation, did you buy shares of stock? Or did you lend money
to the corporation - or did you simply contribute to its capital? Even if
you own ALL the shares, the corporation is still a separate "person" and its
expenses are not your expenses.

If it's a partnership, who keeps the books for the partnership? This check
increases your investment in the partnership (an asset to you); when the
partnership spends the money, it becomes an expense to the partnership, not
to you personally, and your share will be allocated to you at the end of the
year, along with all the other partnership transactions.

If it's just your sole proprietorship, then there's nothing deductible about
it - yet. You've just moved cash from your left pocket to your right. When
the money gets spent (out of your ownership and control), then record an
expense - or a different asset - depending on what you spend the cash for at
that time. Until then, it's just YOUR money sitting in a different pocket,
waiting for YOU to spend it.

If you keep formal books (or a separate Quicken "file") for your sole
proprietorship, then record this check as an addition to that investment
(Sharif's Car Wash, or whatever). And then, in the company's file, make a
mirror entry creating or increasing your capital ("Owner's Equity"?)
account. It's not an expense until the company spends it. Until then, it's
Cash, a company asset.

But you cannot create a deductible expense just by moving money from one
pocket to the other.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Currently running Vista Ultimate x64)

>> It's an expense only if you think you'll never get your money back, in
>> which
>> case why did you invest?
>>
>> It's an asset. Create an asset account, and process the transaction as a
>> transfer.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> >I recently withdrew an amount of money from my checking to invest into
>> > my new business (capital) ... what category of expense would that fall
>> > into in Quicken?
>>
>> > Thank you.
>
> Well honestly I didn't plan on getting it back, it was my own
> investment into my company and I don't expect it to be paid back to
> me, I'd rather the company keeps it. That is why I asked how to
> categorize it as an expense.


Posted by Sharif on September 14, 2007, 3:24 pm
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> Hi, Sharif.
>
> Fred's right: It's an investment, an asset, to you.
>
> "Company" is an imprecise term in this case. Is this a corporation? Or a
> partnership? Or simply a sole proprietorship owned entirely by you?
>
> If it's a corporation, did you buy shares of stock? Or did you lend money
> to the corporation - or did you simply contribute to its capital? Even if
> you own ALL the shares, the corporation is still a separate "person" and its
> expenses are not your expenses.
>
> If it's a partnership, who keeps the books for the partnership? This check
> increases your investment in the partnership (an asset to you); when the
> partnership spends the money, it becomes an expense to the partnership, not
> to you personally, and your share will be allocated to you at the end of the
> year, along with all the other partnership transactions.
>
> If it's just your sole proprietorship, then there's nothing deductible about
> it - yet. You've just moved cash from your left pocket to your right. When
> the money gets spent (out of your ownership and control), then record an
> expense - or a different asset - depending on what you spend the cash for at
> that time. Until then, it's just YOUR money sitting in a different pocket,
> waiting for YOU to spend it.
>
> If you keep formal books (or a separate Quicken "file") for your sole
> proprietorship, then record this check as an addition to that investment
> (Sharif's Car Wash, or whatever). And then, in the company's file, make a
> mirror entry creating or increasing your capital ("Owner's Equity"?)
> account. It's not an expense until the company spends it. Until then, it's
> Cash, a company asset.
>
> But you cannot create a deductible expense just by moving money from one
> pocket to the other.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> (Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
> r...@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Currently running Vista Ultimate x64)
>
>
>
> >> It's an expense only if you think you'll never get your money back, in
> >> which
> >> case why did you invest?
>
> >> It's an asset. Create an asset account, and process the transaction as a
> >> transfer.
>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Fred
>
>
>
> >> >I recently withdrew an amount of money from my checking to invest into
> >> > my new business (capital) ... what category of expense would that fall
> >> > into in Quicken?
>
> >> > Thank you.
>
> > Well honestly I didn't plan on getting it back, it was my own
> > investment into my company and I don't expect it to be paid back to
> > me, I'd rather the company keeps it. That is why I asked how to
> > categorize it as an expense.

Thanks so much for clreaing all that up.

Right now I recorded the investment in the quickbooks file in a
"Owner's Equity/Capital" account. And in my personal Quicken file, I
made an asset account with the Company's name and recorded a payment
to it for the same amount as the investment.


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