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Mac Quicken 2007 observations John 11-15-2008
Posted by John on November 15, 2008, 8:07 pm
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Mac Quicken 2007 observations. 15 Nov 2008

[let me know if I'm wrong with any of these observations. I'm new
to Quicken but all this is based on my actual experience so far].

o When a file is opened, there doesn't appear to be a way to inquire
what file it is. It opens the last file opened, but you may not
know which one that is. The file name should be displayed in a
menu line or somewhere.

o File -> Close - would be a good addition as it doesn't exist.
To close a file and open another one you File -> Open and assume
the one you were in is now closed (or with Quicken not running,
double click on a .qdfm file). I find this odd because many
programs allow you to open multiple files (e.g. OpenOffice) and
lets you obviously select which one you are working on.

o Historical Quote downloads are not robust. e.g. AAPL will NOT get
a 5 year archive (for me and Quicken support confirms that too)
it only seems to get 5 quotes! And this has been observed for INTC
and COMPX but only intermittently!! (seems like a serious bug).
[When this happens to me now, I go to Google Financial, the stock,
click on 5 years, click on download csv, and then massage it with
an emacs macro to put it in proper qif format, and import it into
my Quicken stock file].

o There isn't an obvious way to re-reconcile an account. i.e. clear
"R" from transactions so you can start over if you add older
transactions, edit some reconciled transactions, etc. It turns out
not to be difficult, but seems to be undocumented, or at least
obscure, so it was not obvious at first. The way I found was to get
to the window that lists all reconciliations by date (which I
only arrived at intermittently, I'm not sure how to just open
that) and select one. Now the non-obvious thing because there is
no delete button in the window, but if you go to the main window
with one selected, click on "Edit" at the top of that window, there
is a "delete reconciliation" (or something like that) and it
will delete that reconciliation and remove the R's from the
relevant entries, and NOT otherwise disturb the transactions.
This was far from obvious to me. I just tripped on it.

There should be a button that allows you to wholesale (or by a
date window) clear "R" and "C" (other?) Clr codes. I don't care
if there are three or four "Are you sure you want to do this?"
buttons to click through, sometimes it is necessary to save the
end user hours of their time. (i.e. me).

o when reconciling, there is a "clear all" but no "check all"
transactions as being cleared in this version. That would be
helpful when one wants to do an initial first reconcile with
hundreds (or more) of transactions.

o There is no printed book on the Mac version that one can
purchase. That I've found, anyway. I have several on the Windows
version. I eventually had to print out the 477 page guide from
the program itself to get Mac specific documentation I could
easily read, study, and refer to.

o Buried in that documentation is a "re-indexing" commmand
(Option-Command-B) that is recommended before any exports, to
fix file problems, etc. I only found that in the manual, I don't
see any menu item to do it that makes it obvious. So it seems it
is slightly hidden from the user unless they study the manual.
That doesn't seem right to me.

o The re-index command often results in a program crash immediately
after doing the re-indexing. Not good. e.g. a re-index,
File -> Backup to Disk often (always?) crashes the program. As
far as I can tell, nothing gets lost when it is reopened, but
how would I know for sure?

Posted by John on November 15, 2008, 10:44 pm
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John wrote:
> Mac Quicken 2007 observations. 15 Nov 2008

>
> o When a file is opened, there doesn't appear to be a way to inquire
> what file it is. It opens the last file opened, but you may not
> know which one that is. The file name should be displayed in a
> menu line or somewhere.

[I forgot this one]

File -> Open -> should display a "Recently Opened" file list. Many
good programs do that these days.

Posted by TomYoung on November 16, 2008, 10:23 am
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> Mac Quicken 2007 observations. 15 Nov 2008
>
> [let me know if I'm wrong with any of these observations. I'm new
> to Quicken but all this is based on my actual experience so far].
>

[Don't have Mac Quicken. I use Q2007D for Windoze, so the comments
that follow may or may not be useful to you.]

> o When a file is opened, there doesn't appear to be a way to inquire
> =A0 =A0what file it is. It opens the last file opened, but you may not
> =A0 =A0know which one that is. The file name should be displayed in a
> =A0 =A0menu line or somewhere.

When a file is open in my Q2007D the file name is shown in the top bar
of the screen, e.g., "Quicken 2007 Deluxe - Youngs - [Account Name].
Not so in the case of the Mac? If not, you might try password
protecting the files (use a one-letter "password" if security isn't an
issue) and the file name might show up in the password dialog.

>o File -> Open -> should display a "Recently Opened" file list. Many
> good programs do that these days

Clicking on File in Q2007D give a drop down menu with the usual
actions (New, Open, etc.) but also shows the last 4 files opened at
the bottom of the list. Not on the Mac? Selecting File > Open brings
up a new window with all available files in the Quicken folder.

>
> o File -> Close =A0- would be a good addition as it doesn't exist.
> =A0 =A0To close a file and open another one you =A0File -> Open and assum=
e
> =A0 =A0the one you were in is now closed (or with Quicken not running,
> =A0 =A0double click on a .qdfm file). I find this odd because many
> =A0 =A0programs allow you to open multiple files (e.g. OpenOffice) and
> =A0 =A0lets you obviously select which one you are working on.
>

I've sometimes wished I could have multiple files open but not having
this options in Quicken is probably A Good Thing. It might just be to
darned easy to make a series of entries only to find out you've been
working in the wrong file for the last 15 minutes!


> o Historical Quote downloads are not robust. e.g. AAPL will NOT get
> =A0 =A0a 5 year archive (for me and Quicken support confirms that too)
> =A0 =A0it only seems to get 5 quotes! And this has been observed for INTC
> =A0 =A0and COMPX but only intermittently!! (seems like a serious bug).
> =A0 =A0[When this happens to me now, I go to Google Financial, the stock,
> =A0 =A0click on 5 years, click on download csv, and then massage it with
> =A0 =A0an emacs macro to put it in proper qif format, and import it into
> =A0 =A0my Quicken stock file].

Quote downloads have been a problem in Quicken generally for years and
years. You can go over to the Quicken Community section of the
Quicken site and read about the issue for hours, if you wish.

One thing I *have* asked Quicken to do - with no effect, of course -
is to have the program require your permission to download historical
quotes for periods you've "closed" via the File > Passwords >
Transaction mechanism. Quicken provides its own quotes and those
quotes may be different than the ones you see on your broker's
statement. So if you've "closed" a period, having reconciled/adjusted
to the broker's statement, Quicken can make an invisible "prior period
adjustment" if a stock quote it provides is different than the one you
used off the broker's statement.
>
> o There isn't an obvious way to re-reconcile an account. i.e. clear
> =A0 =A0"R" from transactions so you can start over if you add older
> =A0 =A0transactions, edit some reconciled transactions, etc. It turns out
> =A0 =A0not to be difficult, but seems to be undocumented, or at least
> =A0 =A0obscure, so it was not obvious at first. The way I found was to ge=
t
> =A0 =A0to the window that lists all reconciliations by date (which I
> =A0 =A0only arrived at intermittently, I'm not sure how to just open
> =A0 =A0that) and select one. Now the non-obvious =A0thing because there i=
s
> =A0 =A0no delete button in the window, but if you go to the main window
> =A0 =A0with one selected, click on "Edit" at the top of that window, ther=
e
> =A0 =A0is a "delete reconciliation" (or something like that) and it
> =A0 =A0will delete that reconciliation and remove the R's from the
> =A0 =A0relevant entries, and NOT otherwise disturb the transactions.
> =A0 =A0This was far from obvious to me. I just tripped on it.
>

No comment here since I've not had to do that.

> =A0 =A0There should be a button that allows you to wholesale (or by a
> =A0 =A0date window) clear "R" and "C" (other?) Clr codes. I don't care
> =A0 =A0if there are three or four "Are you sure you want to do this?"
> =A0 =A0buttons to click through, sometimes it is necessary to save the
> =A0 =A0end user hours of their time. (i.e. me).
>

In Q2007D the Edit > Find & Replace could serve this function. Again,
I've never needed to do this.

> o when reconciling, there is a "clear all" but no "check all"
> =A0 =A0transactions as being cleared in this version. That would be
> =A0 =A0helpful when one wants to do an initial first reconcile with
> =A0 =A0hundreds (or more) of transactions.
>

In the reconcile window of Q2007D I can check or uncheck a
transaction, move down several lines and, while holding down the shift
key, click on another transaction and all the transactions in between
are checked/unchecked.

> o There is no printed book on the Mac version that one can
> =A0 =A0purchase. That I've found, anyway. I have several on the Windows
> =A0 =A0version. I eventually had to print out the 477 page guide from
> =A0 =A0the program itself to get Mac specific documentation I could
> =A0 =A0easily read, study, and refer to.
>

Maybe where were going here is you should consider the PC version of
Quicken?

> o Buried in that documentation is a "re-indexing" commmand
> =A0 =A0(Option-Command-B) that is recommended before any exports, to
> =A0 =A0fix file problems, etc. I only found that in the manual, I don't
> =A0 =A0see any menu item to do it that makes it obvious. So it seems it
> =A0 =A0is slightly hidden from the user unless they study the manual.
> =A0 =A0That doesn't seem right to me.
>

Over in the Windoze world I'd say that online help is weak, at best.

Tom Young

Posted by John on November 16, 2008, 11:41 am
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Tom,

Thanks for the suggestions. I am managing to limp around
what seem to be deficiencies in the Mac version, accomplished
my tasks so far, so it was more a list of things that they
could improve. Their support speaks with very broken English,
so it seems lobbing it in to them there would be fruitless.

TomYoung wrote:
> When a file is open in my Q2007D the file name is shown in the top bar
> of the screen, e.g., "Quicken 2007 Deluxe - Youngs - [Account Name].
> Not so in the case of the Mac? If not, you might try password

Not there in the Mac version. Lazy Mac programmer.

> protecting the files (use a one-letter "password" if security isn't an
> issue) and the file name might show up in the password dialog.

I get by by double clicking on the file rather than opening Quicken
and letting it open the (not displayed) last file open. Or I then
specifically open the file I want, not trusting which one is open.

>> o File -> Open -> should display a "Recently Opened" file list. Many
>> good programs do that these days
>
> Clicking on File in Q2007D give a drop down menu with the usual
> actions (New, Open, etc.) but also shows the last 4 files opened at
> the bottom of the list. Not on the Mac? Selecting File > Open brings
> up a new window with all available files in the Quicken folder.

Nope, lazy Mac programmer.

> I've sometimes wished I could have multiple files open but not having
> this options in Quicken is probably A Good Thing. It might just be to
> darned easy to make a series of entries only to find out you've been
> working in the wrong file for the last 15 minutes!

I'm happy with only one open at a time. But the Mac behavior makes one
worry that it might have more than one open.

> Quote downloads have been a problem in Quicken generally for years and
> years. You can go over to the Quicken Community section of the
> Quicken site and read about the issue for hours, if you wish.

Good to know. Thanks! But pretty sad when you think about it.

> One thing I *have* asked Quicken to do - with no effect, of course -
> is to have the program require your permission to download historical

I haven't gotten that advanced yet. Still learning to walk with it.

>> There should be a button that allows you to wholesale (or by a
>> date window) clear "R" and "C" (other?) Clr codes. I don't care
>> if there are three or four "Are you sure you want to do this?"
>> buttons to click through, sometimes it is necessary to save the
>> end user hours of their time. (i.e. me).
>>
>
> In Q2007D the Edit > Find & Replace could serve this function. Again,
> I've never needed to do this.

I'll investigate this but didn't think it would work on fields that it
wouldn't let me edit directly. Clicking on a pesky "R" just popped up
the non-intuitive reconcile windows (non intuitive if you just wanted
to wholesale un-reconcile everything because you had edited reconciled
transactions and wanted to start over).

>> o when reconciling, there is a "clear all" but no "check all"
>> transactions as being cleared in this version. That would be
>> helpful when one wants to do an initial first reconcile with
>> hundreds (or more) of transactions.
>>
>
> In the reconcile window of Q2007D I can check or uncheck a
> transaction, move down several lines and, while holding down the shift
> key, click on another transaction and all the transactions in between
> are checked/unchecked.

I think I tried that, but maybe not. With so many things not behaving
as expected, I tended to drop to the smallest subset of simple commands
that I know I could rely on to work properly.

> Maybe where were going here is you should consider the PC version of
> Quicken?

No. I'll consider another finance program first. Or just drop back
to spreadsheets of my own making as I have in the past. They don't
download transactions, but after all the work I've just done, that
doesn't look so bad, and I'd have FULL programmatic control over
it.

Over the last year I've fully moved from Windoze to Mac. And I'll only
run native Mac programs. I refuse to run Crossover, vmware, bootcamp
or the like because then you have a Windoze virtual machine that needs
a license, care and feeding of brain dead patches, updates, need for
third party virus and security software because M$ can't protect its
own, etc. etc. ($$). I just say no to anything Windoze these days and
avoid all that. I've found native applications for 100% of my old
Windoze needs, and now will not even consider anything new now that
doesn't have a native Mac version.

Thanks!

Posted by TomYoung on November 16, 2008, 3:10 pm
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> Tom,
>
> Thanks for the suggestions. I am managing to limp around
> what seem to be deficiencies in the Mac version, accomplished
> my tasks so far, so it was more a list of things that they
> could improve.

> TomYoung wrote:
> > When a file is open in my Q2007D the file name is shown in the top bar
> > of the screen, e.g., "Quicken 2007 Deluxe - Youngs - [Account Name].
> > Not so in the case of the Mac? =A0If not, you might try password
>
> Not there in the Mac version. Lazy Mac programmer.
>
> > protecting the files (use a one-letter "password" if security isn't an
> > issue) and the file name might show up in the password dialog.
>
> I get by by double clicking on the file rather than opening Quicken
> and letting it open the (not displayed) last file open. Or I then
> specifically open the file I want, not trusting which one is open.

One thing you might do - assuming the Mac version allows it - is to
make each file visually different. (I do this even though the file
name *is* displayed just to try an ensure I'm not making entries in
the wrong file.) Edit > Preferences > Quicken Program > Quicken
Colors can make up to 4 files look different color-wise.

Tom Young

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