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New Accounts w/ Ameriprise Ed Stevens 12-16-2006
Posted by Eric Bloch on December 18, 2006, 10:28 am
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 This is just a note in case somebody else has this situation:

T. Rowe Price, like some other FIs, uses a different account number for each
fund instead of one account number for everything you have with them.

Therefore, using Q'06, when one adds a fund (an account) which uses online
downloading one must first disable online downloading for all of the other
accounts from TR Price BEFORE adding the new one.

If you do not do this first then during the process of adding the new
account, when you are required to associate all account numbers to existing
or new Q accounts, the process cannot be completed.

One would think that Q programmers would have made the process automatic for
existing Q accounts that have the FI account numbers in their records
already.

Eric

> Quicken 2006 Delux.
>
>
> For many years I've had a traditional IRA , held by Ameriprise
> Financial Services, and activiated for online service within Quicken.
> This was listed on the statements as a 'brokerage account'.
>
> I also had a 401k from a previous employer, also activated for online
> service within Quicken.
>
> Recently we opened new IRA account, rolling over the entire earlier
> account as well as the 401k from a previous employer. This account is
> also with Ameriprise.
>
> At the same time, I opened cash account with Ameriprise.
>
> When the two rollovers went through, the online downloads correctly
> showed the removal of funds from the original accounts, but I'm not
> sure how to set up the accounts.
>
This is just a note in case somebody else has this situation:

T. Rowe Price, like some other FIs, uses a different account number for each
fund instead of one account number for everything you have with them.

Therefore, using Q'06, when one adds a fund (an account) which uses online
downloading one must first disable online downloading for all of the other
accounts from TR Price BEFORE adding the new one.

If you do not do this first then during the process of adding the new
account, when you are required to associate all account numbers to existing
or new Q accounts, the process cannot be completed.

One would think that Q programmers would have made the process automatic for
existing Q accounts that have the FI account numbers in their records
already.

Eric

> Quicken 2006 Delux.
>
>
> For many years I've had a traditional IRA , held by Ameriprise
> Financial Services, and activiated for online service within Quicken.
> This was listed on the statements as a 'brokerage account'.
>
> I also had a 401k from a previous employer, also activated for online
> service within Quicken.
>
> Recently we opened new IRA account, rolling over the entire earlier
> account as well as the 401k from a previous employer. This account is
> also with Ameriprise.
>
> At the same time, I opened cash account with Ameriprise.
>
> When the two rollovers went through, the online downloads correctly
> showed the removal of funds from the original accounts, but I'm not
> sure how to set up the accounts.
>
> If I choose "This account is held at the following Institution", the
> only entry in the drop-down for Ameriprise is "Ameriprise Brokerage".
> followed by 'let Quicken set up my accounts and download information'
> If I choose it to let Quicken set it up, the only other options are to
> supply my userid/password. No further questions about which account
> I'm setting up, yet I have two separate accounts to set up, in
> addition to one already existing account at Ameriprise.
>
> I'm not really sure how to proceed at this point. If I proceed, will
> the automatic setup detect and create both the new IRA account and the
> cash account? If not, then what?



Posted by Ed Stevens on December 18, 2006, 10:24 pm
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 wrote:

>This is just a note in case somebody else has this situation:
>
>T. Rowe Price, like some other FIs, uses a different account number for each
>fund instead of one account number for everything you have with them.
>
>Therefore, using Q'06, when one adds a fund (an account) which uses online
>downloading one must first disable online downloading for all of the other
>accounts from TR Price BEFORE adding the new one.
>
>If you do not do this first then during the process of adding the new
>account, when you are required to associate all account numbers to existing
>or new Q accounts, the process cannot be completed.
>
>One would think that Q programmers would have made the process automatic for
>existing Q accounts that have the FI account numbers in their records
>already.
>
>Eric
>
>> Quicken 2006 Delux.
>>
>>
>> For many years I've had a traditional IRA , held by Ameriprise
>> Financial Services, and activiated for online service within Quicken.
>> This was listed on the statements as a 'brokerage account'.
>>
>> I also had a 401k from a previous employer, also activated for online
>> service within Quicken.
>>
>> Recently we opened new IRA account, rolling over the entire earlier
>> account as well as the 401k from a previous employer. This account is
>> also with Ameriprise.
>>
>> At the same time, I opened cash account with Ameriprise.
>>
>> When the two rollovers went through, the online downloads correctly
>> showed the removal of funds from the original accounts, but I'm not
>> sure how to set up the accounts.
>>
>> If I choose "This account is held at the following Institution", the
>> only entry in the drop-down for Ameriprise is "Ameriprise Brokerage".
>> followed by 'let Quicken set up my accounts and download information'
>> If I choose it to let Quicken set it up, the only other options are to
>> supply my userid/password. No further questions about which account
>> I'm setting up, yet I have two separate accounts to set up, in
>> addition to one already existing account at Ameriprise.
>>
>> I'm not really sure how to proceed at this point. If I proceed, will
>> the automatic setup detect and create both the new IRA account and the
>> cash account? If not, then what?
>


Tried that. Yes, Ameriprise assigns a different account number to
each separate investment. So I disabled download on the existing
account, then went through again. This time it presented me with a
list of available accounts -- listing only the old account that we
have rolled everything out of.

Separate log-ins for separate investments? Perhaps, but I don't see
how/why. The credentials I gave Quicken are the same as I use to
access my account(s) on the FI's web site, and that one log-on shows
me all of my investment accounts.

Posted by John Pollard on December 19, 2006, 9:51 am
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> Tried that. Yes, Ameriprise assigns a different account
> number to
> each separate investment. So I disabled download on the
> existing
> account, then went through again. This time it presented me
> with a
> list of available accounts -- listing only the old account
> that we
> have rolled everything out of.
>
> Separate log-ins for separate investments? Perhaps, but I
> don't see
> how/why.

> The credentials I gave Quicken are the same as I use to
> access my account(s) on the FI's web site, and that one log-on
> shows
> me all of my investment accounts.

This is really immaterial. Download data (including account
setup info) is controlled by the fi and is totally separate from
what they present at their web site, or how they present it.

I have multiple investment accounts with Vanguard and with USAA,
each containing multiple securities; all download to the correct
Quicken accounts in a single One Step Update (one logon per fi).

[Some have reported that they are required to have one Vanguard
account and one Quicken account for each mutual fund they own at
Vanguard; but that is not true for me: I have multiple funds ...
in multiple Vanguard accounts, downloading correctly to
corresponding Quicken accounts ... in a single One Step Update
(with one Vanguard logon).]

I download 4 non-investment accounts from BofA: 2 mine, 1 my
girlfriend's, and 1 joint (that is: different accounts, in
different names ... even with different web site logons): all in
the same One Step Update (with two different BofA logons).

I have 2 non-investment accounts at NFCU; while I can access
them both with a single web site logon, I must initiate two
separate Web Connect downloads to get the data from both of them
downloaded to Quicken.

I have never had a single problem setting up any Quicken account
for download, and in my testing, I have done it many, many
times. Quicken can generally handle any logical approach; what
you get is largely the responsibility of the financial
institution.

Having said that, there are some not-always-obvious limitations,
and even possible bugs, relating to the setting up of accounts
for downloading.

For example: in most versions of Quicken, you can only setup 6
accounts from an fi in a single "download". Also, as Bob Wang
has verified, most versions of Quicken (I think all pre-Q2007
versions) had a limit of something like 41, or so, accounts from
all fi's that could be activated for (direct?) download.

And there may be some faulty logic involved in the Quicken setup
of multiple accounts from one fi ... though I have never
personally experienced such a problem, and the anecdotal
evidence for this is not strong, in my opinion. One thing that
has been missing from the evidence is OFXlogs for successful
setups and logs from unsuccessful setups; especially the latter.
I believe that Intuit would be happy to look at an actual OFXlog
(and possibly the CONNlog) from an unsuccessful attempt to setup
multiple accounts with a single fi; and to work to get the
problem fixed, whatever its source.

[Note: I do not have Q2007 (my main program is Q2005 and I also
test frequently with Q2006), and have no experience with Express
Web Connect ... none of this post is intended to address Express
Web Connect issues.]



Posted by Ed Stevens on December 19, 2006, 7:18 pm
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wrote:

>
>> Tried that. Yes, Ameriprise assigns a different account
>> number to
>> each separate investment. So I disabled download on the
>> existing
>> account, then went through again. This time it presented me
>> with a
>> list of available accounts -- listing only the old account
>> that we
>> have rolled everything out of.
>>
>> Separate log-ins for separate investments? Perhaps, but I
>> don't see
>> how/why.
>
>> The credentials I gave Quicken are the same as I use to
>> access my account(s) on the FI's web site, and that one log-on
>> shows
>> me all of my investment accounts.
>
>This is really immaterial. Download data (including account
>setup info) is controlled by the fi and is totally separate from
>what they present at their web site, or how they present it.
>
>I have multiple investment accounts with Vanguard and with USAA,
>each containing multiple securities; all download to the correct
>Quicken accounts in a single One Step Update (one logon per fi).
>
>[Some have reported that they are required to have one Vanguard
>account and one Quicken account for each mutual fund they own at
>Vanguard; but that is not true for me: I have multiple funds ...
>in multiple Vanguard accounts, downloading correctly to
>corresponding Quicken accounts ... in a single One Step Update
>(with one Vanguard logon).]
>
>I download 4 non-investment accounts from BofA: 2 mine, 1 my
>girlfriend's, and 1 joint (that is: different accounts, in
>different names ... even with different web site logons): all in
>the same One Step Update (with two different BofA logons).
>
>I have 2 non-investment accounts at NFCU; while I can access
>them both with a single web site logon, I must initiate two
>separate Web Connect downloads to get the data from both of them
>downloaded to Quicken.
>
>I have never had a single problem setting up any Quicken account
>for download, and in my testing, I have done it many, many
>times. Quicken can generally handle any logical approach; what
>you get is largely the responsibility of the financial
>institution.
>
>Having said that, there are some not-always-obvious limitations,
>and even possible bugs, relating to the setting up of accounts
>for downloading.
>
>For example: in most versions of Quicken, you can only setup 6
>accounts from an fi in a single "download". Also, as Bob Wang
>has verified, most versions of Quicken (I think all pre-Q2007
>versions) had a limit of something like 41, or so, accounts from
>all fi's that could be activated for (direct?) download.
>
>And there may be some faulty logic involved in the Quicken setup
>of multiple accounts from one fi ... though I have never
>personally experienced such a problem, and the anecdotal
>evidence for this is not strong, in my opinion. One thing that
>has been missing from the evidence is OFXlogs for successful
>setups and logs from unsuccessful setups; especially the latter.
>I believe that Intuit would be happy to look at an actual OFXlog
>(and possibly the CONNlog) from an unsuccessful attempt to setup
>multiple accounts with a single fi; and to work to get the
>problem fixed, whatever its source.
>
>[Note: I do not have Q2007 (my main program is Q2005 and I also
>test frequently with Q2006), and have no experience with Express
>Web Connect ... none of this post is intended to address Express
>Web Connect issues.]
>

Ok. I don't want to wear this thread out. I thought going in that I
was just missing something simple from an operational standpoint. I'll
poke around some more in Q, and also on the FI's website to see if
they have any Quicken specific information. If I come up with
anything I'll post back.

Thanks.

Posted by petelipowitz on December 19, 2006, 11:44 pm
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Ed Stevens wrote:
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> Tried that. Yes, Ameriprise assigns a different account
> >> number to
> >> each separate investment. So I disabled download on the
> >> existing
> >> account, then went through again. This time it presented me
> >> with a
> >> list of available accounts -- listing only the old account
> >> that we
> >> have rolled everything out of.
> >>
> >> Separate log-ins for separate investments? Perhaps, but I
> >> don't see
> >> how/why.
> >
> >> The credentials I gave Quicken are the same as I use to
> >> access my account(s) on the FI's web site, and that one log-on
> >> shows
> >> me all of my investment accounts.
> >
> >This is really immaterial. Download data (including account
> >setup info) is controlled by the fi and is totally separate from
> >what they present at their web site, or how they present it.
> >
> >I have multiple investment accounts with Vanguard and with USAA,
> >each containing multiple securities; all download to the correct
> >Quicken accounts in a single One Step Update (one logon per fi).
> >
> >[Some have reported that they are required to have one Vanguard
> >account and one Quicken account for each mutual fund they own at
> >Vanguard; but that is not true for me: I have multiple funds ...
> >in multiple Vanguard accounts, downloading correctly to
> >corresponding Quicken accounts ... in a single One Step Update
> >(with one Vanguard logon).]
> >
> >I download 4 non-investment accounts from BofA: 2 mine, 1 my
> >girlfriend's, and 1 joint (that is: different accounts, in
> >different names ... even with different web site logons): all in
> >the same One Step Update (with two different BofA logons).
> >
> >I have 2 non-investment accounts at NFCU; while I can access
> >them both with a single web site logon, I must initiate two
> >separate Web Connect downloads to get the data from both of them
> >downloaded to Quicken.
> >
> >I have never had a single problem setting up any Quicken account
> >for download, and in my testing, I have done it many, many
> >times. Quicken can generally handle any logical approach; what
> >you get is largely the responsibility of the financial
> >institution.
> >
> >Having said that, there are some not-always-obvious limitations,
> >and even possible bugs, relating to the setting up of accounts
> >for downloading.
> >
> >For example: in most versions of Quicken, you can only setup 6
> >accounts from an fi in a single "download". Also, as Bob Wang
> >has verified, most versions of Quicken (I think all pre-Q2007
> >versions) had a limit of something like 41, or so, accounts from
> >all fi's that could be activated for (direct?) download.
> >
> >And there may be some faulty logic involved in the Quicken setup
> >of multiple accounts from one fi ... though I have never
> >personally experienced such a problem, and the anecdotal
> >evidence for this is not strong, in my opinion. One thing that
> >has been missing from the evidence is OFXlogs for successful
> >setups and logs from unsuccessful setups; especially the latter.
> >I believe that Intuit would be happy to look at an actual OFXlog
> >(and possibly the CONNlog) from an unsuccessful attempt to setup
> >multiple accounts with a single fi; and to work to get the
> >problem fixed, whatever its source.
> >
> >[Note: I do not have Q2007 (my main program is Q2005 and I also
> >test frequently with Q2006), and have no experience with Express
> >Web Connect ... none of this post is intended to address Express
> >Web Connect issues.]
> >
>
> Ok. I don't want to wear this thread out. I thought going in that I
> was just missing something simple from an operational standpoint. I'll
> poke around some more in Q, and also on the FI's website to see if
> they have any Quicken specific information. If I come up with
> anything I'll post back.
>
> Thanks.

Ameriprise has one of the worst web sites for getting information
especially into Quicken or Money. I'd go to another company who has
updated technology.

http://www.ameriprisesuck.com


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