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OFX - Online Banking & Bill Paying John Gregory 06-03-2006
Posted by John Gregory on June 5, 2006, 9:02 am
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>>What is important is that you need to know whether the
downloaded transaction represents a transaction you already have
in your Quicken register ... or not.<<

I'm getting the impression that this procedure is used by people who post
bank registers on line THEN download the results into Quicken. That's not
what I'm doing. The only entry that I won't have on my Quicken register each
time I download is an interest entry. Everything else, I would have put
there before the bank did since all these transactions at the moment are
handled by mail.

Please confirm that I'm using the program correctly. I'm NOT posting
anything on a website then downloading into Quicken. It's Quicken first,
then (I assumed it would be) reconciliation with the online bank statement
to get in sync, then online bill paying. Am I headed in the right direction,
John?


>
>>I appreciate your taking time to comment, John, because I seen to be
>>getting more confused. My original intent was to have my bank cut and mail
>>checks. I thought I was to do that from Quicken but I haven't gotten that
>>far yet so that will be another unchartered expedition. But first things
>>first.
>>
>> I'm focused at this point on simply getting my Quicken record in sync
>> with that of my bank... on line. Your question suggests that I may have a
>> major misunderstanding of how this is to work:
>>
>>>>Are you saying that all the downloaded transactions were already entered
>>>>manually in Quicken before you downloaded?<<
>>
>> Yes. I entered everything into Quicken, registered with my bank to use
>> their online service, established the necessary connections, successfully
>> downloaded 29 transaction (all of which I already had in Quicken),
>> disconnected (or maybe that happened automatically. I can't remember),
>> then examined the transactions in the "Download Transactions" window and
>> visually traced everything there to my register. Frankly... I'm a tad
>> confused about what to do next.
>
> It is more or less as I suggested.
>
> If you download a transaction that you have already entered in your
> Quicken register, then the downloaded transaction *should* "Match" the
> transaction already in your Quicken register. While I find this to be
> true 99% of the time for me, some people have a lower degree of success
> with the Match logic.
>
> What is important is that you need to know whether the downloaded
> transaction represents a transaction you already have in your Quicken
> register ... or not. Then you treat the downloaded transaction
> accordingly. If the downloaded transaction should be New but is not; you
> make it New. If the downloaded transaction should be a Match, but is not;
> you make it Match. If the downloaded transaction Status is correct, you
> just Accept it as is.
>
>
> --
>
> John Pollard
> First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
> Please reply to newsgroup
>



Posted by Jerry Hughes on June 5, 2006, 10:16 am
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Your last sentence is the way it works so you will be OK.

Jerry

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:37:12 GMT, "John Gregory"

>I'm using Q2005HB and looking hard at linking to my bank. All systems appear
>"go". One hesitation I have revolves around this statement I found in one of
>Intuit's articles on the subject: "Quicken automatically downloads and
>categorizes your data in the background".
>
>"Categorizes" bothers me. I've already go everything categorized the way I
>want it. I don't know what to expect and I'm concerned I'll end up Quicken
>making changes I don't want and those changes may slip by me.
>
>Will someone who has used this feature please explain what to expect?
>Presently, if I manually write a check to "Cash", it goes into an account
>called "Pocket Cash". I'd hate to find that Quicken wants to call that
>something else. Hopefully, the online routine merely "categorizes" according
>to the list it picks up from the file I've already created. I don't want to
>end up with more situations like "Interest" and "_IntInc".
>

Posted by John Gregory on June 5, 2006, 11:13 am
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Thanks Jerry.

>
> Your last sentence is the way it works so you will be OK.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:37:12 GMT, "John Gregory"
>
>>I'm using Q2005HB and looking hard at linking to my bank. All systems
>>appear
>>"go". One hesitation I have revolves around this statement I found in one
>>of
>>Intuit's articles on the subject: "Quicken automatically downloads and
>>categorizes your data in the background".
>>
>>"Categorizes" bothers me. I've already go everything categorized the way I
>>want it. I don't know what to expect and I'm concerned I'll end up Quicken
>>making changes I don't want and those changes may slip by me.
>>
>>Will someone who has used this feature please explain what to expect?
>>Presently, if I manually write a check to "Cash", it goes into an account
>>called "Pocket Cash". I'd hate to find that Quicken wants to call that
>>something else. Hopefully, the online routine merely "categorizes"
>>according
>>to the list it picks up from the file I've already created. I don't want
>>to
>>end up with more situations like "Interest" and "_IntInc".
>>



Posted by John Gregory on June 6, 2006, 1:18 pm
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John & Jerry... Help please!

I think I'm getting the hang of this but I've got a dilemma. But first, let
me make a statement then you guys comment if you will. "What I'm doing here
with this on-line banking "Download Transactions" (DT's) section is merely
reconciling my bank balance on-line." Right? Nothing is changing when I
"Accept" these entries, though the dates often don't match. I'm not
uploading anything to the bank after this download has been made and I don't
think I remain connected to them while I running through that acceptance
procedure. Right?

Now my problem. A check showed up as "New" to a payee in a much smaller
amount than that appearing in my Quicken register. (Wouldn't you know it. I
picked the worst time to begin this online stuff.) What actually happened -
so I discovered earlier this week - was that I apparently entered the amount
of the bill correctly but I manually wrote the check for a different sum
(confused it with another bill setting next to it).

To correct my error when I discovered it this week, I simply made a memo
adjusting entry with reference to that check number to bring my balance in
line, then wrote another check for the difference.

Now comes the "Downloaded Transactions" list. The check for the lesser
amount appears (as "New") along with the one I just wrote for the balance
(also "New") but no adjusting entry (I understand why. These came from the
bank, not my register.)

Since everything I've done with these DT's so far has merely involved
changing "New" to "Match" where necessary, I've had no cause to see - nor
did I see - any numbers change... even dates. All that's changes is the
addition of "c" to the Clr column. However... I'm now facing a situation
were the amount of a check does NOT match my register. The question is, will
the program change the amount in the register to match the transaction I
tell it to accept? Or with I get a screen putting the brakes on the whole
thing drawing attention to the discrepancy? If it accepts the transaction
but doesn't change the amount, my register will still be in balance because
of that memo adjustment I made. But then... that makes this entire
"reconciliation" routine rather meaningless if it doesn't catch this ...
doesn't it?

I'm still trying to get a handle on just what to expect in all cases from
this "DT" process. Everything - at least for me - is unidirectional;
everything but an entry for interest originates with me and appears on my
register before I connect to my bank. They're telling me what checks they've
received and what interest they've added and I'm merely verifying that
against my register. But since I haven't gone through a complete cycle of
verifying all these DT's (waiting for guidance from you on the questions
above), I've put the file on a "Finish Later" status. I don't what to expect
when I get through the list.


> Thanks Jerry.
>
>>
>> Your last sentence is the way it works so you will be OK.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:37:12 GMT, "John Gregory"
>>
>>>I'm using Q2005HB and looking hard at linking to my bank. All systems
>>>appear
>>>"go". One hesitation I have revolves around this statement I found in one
>>>of
>>>Intuit's articles on the subject: "Quicken automatically downloads and
>>>categorizes your data in the background".
>>>
>>>"Categorizes" bothers me. I've already go everything categorized the way
>>>I
>>>want it. I don't know what to expect and I'm concerned I'll end up
>>>Quicken
>>>making changes I don't want and those changes may slip by me.
>>>
>>>Will someone who has used this feature please explain what to expect?
>>>Presently, if I manually write a check to "Cash", it goes into an account
>>>called "Pocket Cash". I'd hate to find that Quicken wants to call that
>>>something else. Hopefully, the online routine merely "categorizes"
>>>according
>>>to the list it picks up from the file I've already created. I don't want
>>>to
>>>end up with more situations like "Interest" and "_IntInc".
>>>
>
>



Posted by John Pollard on June 6, 2006, 3:04 pm
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> John & Jerry... Help please!
>
> I think I'm getting the hang of this but I've got a dilemma.
> But first, let me make a statement then you guys comment if
> you will. "What I'm doing here with this on-line banking
> "Download Transactions" (DT's) section is merely reconciling
> my bank balance on-line."Right?

I wouldn't choose to describe it that way, but I'm not sure you
and I think the same or treat the process the same.

> Nothing is changing when I "Accept" these entries,

*If* you only accept transactions that "Match" existing
transactions, then the only data that you see on the screen that
will change is the "Clr" field value (assuming it was blank when
you did the download): it should be changed to "c" because the
transaction has "cleared" the fi.

Behind the scenes - what you don't see - is the the existing
transaction is marked as "Downloaded" and its Date Posted is
changed from blank to the Date Posted per the fi. And an OFX
transaction id is associated with the transaction.

> though the dates often don't match. I'm not uploading anything
> to the bank after this download has been made and I don't
> think I remain connected to them while I running through that
> acceptance procedure. Right?

As far as I know, the connection to each fi is closed when the
transactions for that fi have been downloaded.

If you are not using your fi's "billpay" (or have no billpay
transactions to send when you start the download), and you do
not setup any online transfers in Quicken; then you don't send
anything to the fi when you download.

> Now my problem. A check showed up as "New" to a payee in a
> much smaller amount than that appearing in my Quicken
> register. (Wouldn't you know it. I picked the worst time to
> begin this online stuff.) What actually happened - so I
> discovered earlier this week - was that I apparently entered
> the amount of the bill correctly but I manually wrote the
> check for a different sum (confused it with another bill
> setting next to it).
>
> To correct my error when I discovered it this week, I simply
> made a memo adjusting entry with reference to that check
> number to bring my balance in line, then wrote another check
> for the difference.
>
> Now comes the "Downloaded Transactions" list. The check for
> the lesser amount appears (as "New") along with the one I just
> wrote for the balance (also "New") but no adjusting entry (I
> understand why. These came from the bank, not my register.)
>
> Since everything I've done with these DT's so far has merely
> involved changing "New" to "Match" where necessary, I've had
> no cause to see - nor did I see - any numbers change... even
> dates. All that's changes is the addition of "c" to the Clr
> column. However... I'm now facing a situation were the amount
> of a check does NOT match my register. The question is, will
> the program change the amount in the register to match the
> transaction I tell it to accept? Or with I get a screen
> putting the brakes on the whole thing drawing attention to the
> discrepancy? If it accepts the transaction but doesn't change
> the amount, my register will still be in balance because of
> that memo adjustment I made. But then... that makes this
> entire "reconciliation" routine rather meaningless if it
> doesn't catch this ... doesn't it?
>
> I'm still trying to get a handle on just what to expect in all
> cases from this "DT" process. Everything - at least for me -
> is unidirectional; everything but an entry for interest
> originates with me and appears on my register before I connect
> to my bank. They're telling me what checks they've received
> and what interest they've added and I'm merely verifying that
> against my register. But since I haven't gone through a
> complete cycle of verifying all these DT's (waiting for
> guidance from you on the questions above), I've put the file
> on a "Finish Later" status. I don't what to expect when I get
> through the list.

I must not be understanding something. If the first check was
written for a different amount than the amount you entered in
Quicken, then just change the amount of check 1 in Quicken to be
the actual amount of the check. Then, either manually enter
check 2 in Quicken, or just let the download add it to Quicken
as a new transaction. And delete the memo adjustment.


--

John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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