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Purchase Q2008 Premier on Ebay Les 10-18-2007
Posted by Laura on October 21, 2007, 3:53 pm
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>
>>> That may be known to some, but I would guess that it is some sort of
>>> trade secret. There has to be a way to give each CD a "serial
>>> number".
>>
>> If there is a unique code on each CD it is in the files and not some
>> special trick on the CD. The DVD ROM drive on my computer burned out
>> a long time ago. Long story but in my house Quicken is on my
>> computer, and my wife's stuff is on hers. Just the best way for us.
>> To get it to install on my computer I need to use her computer because
>> her DVD ROM drives work. Because I can't get file sharing to work
>> properly because of a Symantec product I have installed on both
>> machines I have resorted to dumping the CD to an ISO image, moving the
>> file by hand to my computer, and using Daemon Tools to mount the
>> image. It installs fine. I do this with Turbo Tax as well. So if
>> there is a unique code, it's in the files because this process works
>> for me. I'm sure I am violating some arbitrary set of rules
>> somewhere, but I paid for it and don't feel like buying another DVD
>> ROM drive when I have a solution that works for me.
>>
>> Scott
>>
> Well, then there the "serial number" is in one of the files. Q2008 can
> be installed on 3 computers (I believe the same household, but how would
> you check that?). So I don't think you violated any rules. You made a
> backup CD, as an ISO image. That's all allowed, I think.

You are partially correct. The terms that were flashed across my screen when
I installed my 2008 did say that I could install the program on 3 computers
in a household. Yes, there is no way of checking the number of installs. I
*know* my 2007 copy was installed more than 3 times on 3 differnet
computers. All my computers so no rules were broken as far as I can tell.

As for making a copy, the terms say that the CD you received is your backup
copy. I took that to mean that it was not legal to make a copy of the
software for my own backup purposes.

For a single user here is the agreement:
(i) Single User License. You may install and use a copy of the Software on
up to three (3) computers used by a single household. If you purchased a
valid license for the Software and received an Authentic Intuit CDROM, such
CDROM is your backup copy of the Software. If you purchased a valid license
and received the Software pre-installed on a new computer or through an
electronic download, you may make one backup copy of the Software, but only
for the purpose of reinstalling the Software, if needed, on the computer(s)
referenced in (a) above.


Posted by Han on October 21, 2007, 4:16 pm
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>>
>>>> That may be known to some, but I would guess that it is some sort
>>>> of trade secret. There has to be a way to give each CD a "serial
>>>> number".
>>>
>>> If there is a unique code on each CD it is in the files and not some
>>> special trick on the CD. The DVD ROM drive on my computer burned
>>> out a long time ago. Long story but in my house Quicken is on my
>>> computer, and my wife's stuff is on hers. Just the best way for us.
>>> To get it to install on my computer I need to use her computer
>>> because her DVD ROM drives work. Because I can't get file sharing to
>>> work properly because of a Symantec product I have installed on both
>>> machines I have resorted to dumping the CD to an ISO image, moving
>>> the file by hand to my computer, and using Daemon Tools to mount the
>>> image. It installs fine. I do this with Turbo Tax as well. So if
>>> there is a unique code, it's in the files because this process works
>>> for me. I'm sure I am violating some arbitrary set of rules
>>> somewhere, but I paid for it and don't feel like buying another DVD
>>> ROM drive when I have a solution that works for me.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>> Well, then there the "serial number" is in one of the files. Q2008
>> can be installed on 3 computers (I believe the same household, but
>> how would you check that?). So I don't think you violated any rules.
>> You made a backup CD, as an ISO image. That's all allowed, I think.
>
> You are partially correct. The terms that were flashed across my
> screen when I installed my 2008 did say that I could install the
> program on 3 computers in a household. Yes, there is no way of
> checking the number of installs. I *know* my 2007 copy was installed
> more than 3 times on 3 differnet computers. All my computers so no
> rules were broken as far as I can tell.
>
> As for making a copy, the terms say that the CD you received is your
> backup copy. I took that to mean that it was not legal to make a copy
> of the software for my own backup purposes.
>
> For a single user here is the agreement:
> (i) Single User License. You may install and use a copy of the
> Software on up to three (3) computers used by a single household. If
> you purchased a valid license for the Software and received an
> Authentic Intuit CDROM, such CDROM is your backup copy of the
> Software. If you purchased a valid license and received the Software
> pre-installed on a new computer or through an electronic download, you
> may make one backup copy of the Software, but only for the purpose of
> reinstalling the Software, if needed, on the computer(s) referenced in
> (a) above.
>
Thanks for the quote. It is unclear to me whether this means I can use
the software for my "household" only, or also for bookkeeping of
organizations that entrusted me with their bookkeeping, if such they are
obviously not part of my household. What if someone else wants me to
keep track of their finances?

It also seems silly that Intuit should be able to force me to buy a new
CD/DVD drive, just so that I can read their only CD. It seems just
logical to have an extra copy of the software in a safe place so that in
case of catastrophy I can regenerate the program and data. (I /should/
keep backups in a different locale than just my house.) The wording of
that license seems to force me to buy an extra copy of the software. Is
that enforcable?

--
Best regards
Han
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Posted by Laura on October 21, 2007, 9:32 pm
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>
>>>
>>>>> That may be known to some, but I would guess that it is some sort
>>>>> of trade secret. There has to be a way to give each CD a "serial
>>>>> number".
>>>>
>>>> If there is a unique code on each CD it is in the files and not some
>>>> special trick on the CD. The DVD ROM drive on my computer burned
>>>> out a long time ago. Long story but in my house Quicken is on my
>>>> computer, and my wife's stuff is on hers. Just the best way for us.
>>>> To get it to install on my computer I need to use her computer
>>>> because her DVD ROM drives work. Because I can't get file sharing to
>>>> work properly because of a Symantec product I have installed on both
>>>> machines I have resorted to dumping the CD to an ISO image, moving
>>>> the file by hand to my computer, and using Daemon Tools to mount the
>>>> image. It installs fine. I do this with Turbo Tax as well. So if
>>>> there is a unique code, it's in the files because this process works
>>>> for me. I'm sure I am violating some arbitrary set of rules
>>>> somewhere, but I paid for it and don't feel like buying another DVD
>>>> ROM drive when I have a solution that works for me.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>> Well, then there the "serial number" is in one of the files. Q2008
>>> can be installed on 3 computers (I believe the same household, but
>>> how would you check that?). So I don't think you violated any rules.
>>> You made a backup CD, as an ISO image. That's all allowed, I think.
>>
>> You are partially correct. The terms that were flashed across my
>> screen when I installed my 2008 did say that I could install the
>> program on 3 computers in a household. Yes, there is no way of
>> checking the number of installs. I *know* my 2007 copy was installed
>> more than 3 times on 3 differnet computers. All my computers so no
>> rules were broken as far as I can tell.
>>
>> As for making a copy, the terms say that the CD you received is your
>> backup copy. I took that to mean that it was not legal to make a copy
>> of the software for my own backup purposes.
>>
>> For a single user here is the agreement:
>> (i) Single User License. You may install and use a copy of the
>> Software on up to three (3) computers used by a single household. If
>> you purchased a valid license for the Software and received an
>> Authentic Intuit CDROM, such CDROM is your backup copy of the
>> Software. If you purchased a valid license and received the Software
>> pre-installed on a new computer or through an electronic download, you
>> may make one backup copy of the Software, but only for the purpose of
>> reinstalling the Software, if needed, on the computer(s) referenced in
>> (a) above.
>>
> Thanks for the quote. It is unclear to me whether this means I can use
> the software for my "household" only, or also for bookkeeping of
> organizations that entrusted me with their bookkeeping, if such they are
> obviously not part of my household. What if someone else wants me to
> keep track of their finances?
>
> It also seems silly that Intuit should be able to force me to buy a new
> CD/DVD drive, just so that I can read their only CD. It seems just
> logical to have an extra copy of the software in a safe place so that in
> case of catastrophy I can regenerate the program and data. (I /should/
> keep backups in a different locale than just my house.) The wording of
> that license seems to force me to buy an extra copy of the software. Is
> that enforcable?

It does say 3 computers used by a single household. I don't Intuit cares how
many people's finances you are tracking. Its the number of illegal copies
and installs they are trying to limit by their EULA.


Posted by John Pollard on October 21, 2007, 4:33 pm
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Scott Lindner wrote:
> If there is a unique code on each CD it is in the files and
> not some special trick on the CD.

Those files originated on the CD. :)

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Posted by Scott Lindner on October 21, 2007, 5:07 pm
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> Those files originated on the CD. :)

Agreed. What I was intending to draw attention to is that some protection
mechanism take advantage of ways of storing or garbling data that will not
show up as a regular file. I haven't tested it, but would it work to have
put the CD into the drive on my wife's computer, copy the files to a thumb
drive, and install? For some programs this will not work because there is
information that is not in the files. Make sense?

Scott



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