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Posted by Bernie Cosell on August 29, 2007, 7:13 pm
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} > It is a real pain that intuit didn't make Q2006 XP-aware and
} > XP-well-behaved. Ever since I installed Q2006 I've had the problem
} > [unfixable AFAICT] that if I double-click on a QDF file quicken will NOT
} > start, but instead I get a "preparing to install" dialogue box.
}
} A Google search turned up a few message board comments regarding the
} 'preparing to install' dialogue. Try looking here
} http://www.quickencommunity.com/webx?14@@.efd5268/1
}
} For the OP in that thread "Assigning temporary Admin privileges to my normal
} user account and then doing a clean install worked"
Thanks for the pointer!! This comment from the 'senior contributor'
basically says it all:
Quicken up to and including Q2006 has never been designed to run as a
different userid than the userid that installed it. And it usually
expects that userid to have admin authority.
Basically "We really don't understand XP and so still think we're in the
world of Win98". Sigh.
I'll try the reinstall hack: I'll do the clean/total uninstall as admin,
make my limited acct be admin, try an install, and then see if it works.
Anyone know if this foolishness is fixed in post-Q2006 versions? [as I
mentioned, it looks like I'm going to be forced to move to 'premier'
because they've discontinued basic [darn them!! :(], but if it is better
XP-behaved, then maybe it'd be worth it...
THANKS for the info!
/Bernie
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Posted by John Pollard on August 29, 2007, 7:26 pm
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Bernie Cosell wrote:
> as I mentioned, it looks like I'm going to be forced to move
> to 'premier' because they've discontinued basic
I suspect you made a typo, but for those who wouldn't know that:
the next step up after "Basic" is "Deluxe" ... and Deluxe hasn't
been discontinued.
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Posted by Bernie Cosell on August 30, 2007, 9:15 pm
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} Bernie Cosell wrote:
}
} > as I mentioned, it looks like I'm going to be forced to move
} > to 'premier' because they've discontinued basic
}
} I suspect you made a typo, but for those who wouldn't know that:
} the next step up after "Basic" is "Deluxe" ... and Deluxe hasn't
} been discontinued.
Just so -- my problem is that they've discontinued Basic and whatever the
next-one-up is called, they're scr*wing me into upgrading to it...
/Bernie
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Posted by John Pollard on August 30, 2007, 11:01 pm
Please log in for more thread options Bernie Cosell wrote:
>
> } Bernie Cosell wrote:
> }
> } > as I mentioned, it looks like I'm going to be forced to
> move
> } > to 'premier' because they've discontinued basic
> }
> } I suspect you made a typo, but for those who wouldn't know
> that:
> } the next step up after "Basic" is "Deluxe" ... and Deluxe
> hasn't
> } been discontinued.
>
> Just so -- my problem is that they've discontinued Basic and
> whatever
> the next-one-up is called, they're scr*wing me into upgrading
> to it...
I don't understand your reasoning.
You're not "forced" to upgrade to any newer version; I think
that idea is only in your head.
I still see posts from users who are happily using Q2000 or Q98
(and actually, I think even earlier than that).
There is also MS Money ... though it too presures you to upgrade
to newer versions. But Money users can also refuse to buy those
newer versions. But if you don't like Intuit, you can switch to
Money ... or to several other lesser personal financial software
packages ... that have no upgrade policies.
Not only do you not have to buy the newest version from Intuit,
or to buy that newer version when it first comes out; but you
can buy newer versions at places like eBay, dirt cheap.
The cost of a new version of Quicken every year is incredibly
inexpensive, but under current Intuit policy you are only
"forced" to buy every three years ... making the cost per year
of Quicken so small as to be insignificant: so I still don't see
the problem.
Unless it's just that you're just angry because Intuit needs new
revenue in order to keep Quicken alive, but you don't want to
give them any of that revenue. If Intuit can't convice users
(new and old) to pony up that revenue ... Intuit will have to
let Quicken die. If you believe that would be a good thing, I'm
afraid I definitely don't understand your thinking.
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Posted by Bernie Cosell on August 31, 2007, 10:59 am
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} Bernie Cosell wrote:
} > Just so -- my problem is that they've discontinued Basic and
} > whatever
} > the next-one-up is called, they're scr*wing me into upgrading
} > to it...
}
} I don't understand your reasoning.
}
} You're not "forced" to upgrade to any newer version; I think
} that idea is only in your head.
No quite. Two things:
1) I have an interest in getting this "Quicken only runs properly if you're
administrator" badness fixed [I'm assuming that *by*now* they've manage to
hire a programmer who understands how limited accounts work and how to
properly program within the XP (and now Vista) environment and so later
versions won't have this problem]
2) I *think* my Q2006 is nearing its 'sunset', isn't it? [I thought it was
three years, so come next summer, when Q2009 comes out, if past experience
holds, if I want to keep downloading bank statements, etc, I'll have to
upgrade [that's the only reason I upgraded to 2006 from 2003: my bank
informed me that they would no longer support quicken access from the older
version. Same thing happened to me with Q98 and the version before that,
so I'm assuming that I'll soon be facing the same thing with my Q2006].
Note that I appreciate that developing Quicken costs money, but the reality
is that I'm not one of their 'modern' users: the subset of Quicken Basic
functionality I'm using in Q2006 is pretty much identical with the
functionality I used in Q98 [I know that 'under the hood' that
functionality has actually changed [different protocols for contacting
banks, etc]]. But all that fancy stuff hasn't ever really fit my needs.
And as you observed: for $10-or-so a year, Quicken is dirt cheap [for how
reliable [modulo the occasional auto-uninstall..:o)] it is and how much I
depend on it]. Making that $25-or-so-a-year instead is still relatively
cheap, but I'll still almost certainly just continue using my stodgy
Q98-basic feature-set.
} ... But if you don't like Intuit, you can switch to
} Money ... or to several other lesser personal financial software
} packages ... that have no upgrade policies.
I don't understand: I'm not complaining about the upgrade policy but only
that they're using that policy to force me into buying a version that's
twice as expensive as the version I've been using for a decade or more (is
it one thing to have to keep getting new versions every now and then; quite
another, IMO, to be pushed into getting FANCIER new versions).
} The cost of a new version of Quicken every year is incredibly
} inexpensive, but under current Intuit policy you are only
} Bernie Cosell wrote:
} > Just so -- my problem is that they've discontinued Basic and
} > whatever
} > the next-one-up is called, they're scr*wing me into upgrading
} > to it...
}
} I don't understand your reasoning.
}
} You're not "forced" to upgrade to any newer version; I think
} that idea is only in your head.
No quite. Two things:
1) I have an interest in getting this "Quicken only runs properly if you're
administrator" badness fixed [I'm assuming that *by*now* they've manage to
hire a programmer who understands how limited accounts work and how to
properly program within the XP (and now Vista) environment and so later
versions won't have this problem]
2) I *think* my Q2006 is nearing its 'sunset', isn't it? [I thought it was
three years, so come next summer, when Q2009 comes out, if past experience
holds, if I want to keep downloading bank statements, etc, I'll have to
upgrade [that's the only reason I upgraded to 2006 from 2003: my bank
informed me that they would no longer support quicken access from the older
version. Same thing happened to me with Q98 and the version before that,
so I'm assuming that I'll soon be facing the same thing with my Q2006].
Note that I appreciate that developing Quicken costs money, but the reality
is that I'm not one of their 'modern' users: the subset of Quicken Basic
functionality I'm using in Q2006 is pretty much identical with the
functionality I used in Q98 [I know that 'under the hood' that
functionality has actually changed [different protocols for contacting
banks, etc]]. But all that fancy stuff hasn't ever really fit my needs.
And as you observed: for $10-or-so a year, Quicken is dirt cheap [for how
reliable [modulo the occasional auto-uninstall..:o)] it is and how much I
depend on it]. Making that $25-or-so-a-year instead is still relatively
cheap, but I'll still almost certainly just continue using my stodgy
Q98-basic feature-set.
} ... But if you don't like Intuit, you can switch to
} Money ... or to several other lesser personal financial software
} packages ... that have no upgrade policies.
I don't understand: I'm not complaining about the upgrade policy but only
that they're using that policy to force me into buying a version that's
twice as expensive as the version I've been using for a decade or more (is
it one thing to have to keep getting new versions every now and then; quite
another, IMO, to be pushed into getting FANCIER new versions).
} The cost of a new version of Quicken every year is incredibly
} inexpensive, but under current Intuit policy you are only
} "forced" to buy every three years ... making the cost per year
} of Quicken so small as to be insignificant: so I still don't see
} the problem.
Indeed -- as I said, I'll likely go ahead and buy it [although I'll just
wait 'til Q2009 -- if there were a Q2008 Basic [and it fixed the 'you have
to be admin' bug], I'd go buy it now... but since there isn't, I'll hold
off. Their marketing decision, my purchasing decision. Seems fair...:o)
} Unless it's just that you're just angry because Intuit needs new
} revenue in order to keep Quicken alive, but you don't want to
} give them any of that revenue.
Not at all. I realize that development of all of that super-fancy stuff
that many folk use [budgeting, investment management, trend analysis, fancy
graphing, who-knows-what] takes money. It'd just be nice if they still had
a place in their heart (and marketing plans) for us folks who do just fine
with 'Basic' functionality.
/Bernie
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