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Q2007 Sounds Bert 08-08-2006
---> Re: Q2007 Sounds Margaret Wilson08-08-2006
  ---> Re: Q2007 Sounds Andrew DeFaria08-13-2006
Posted by Bert on August 10, 2006, 5:46 am
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I'm running XP, SP2 with all the latest updates.


> Hi, Bert.
>
> I don't have Q2007 yet, so I hope that Margaret - or somebody else - can
> explain this one.
>
> Which Windows version are you running?
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA [RC]
> San Marcos, TX
> (Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (currently running Windows Mail 7 in Vista x64 Build 5472)
>
>> R.C. - Turning off the "Open Program" sound within Windows via the
>> Control Panel is what I am talking about that doesn't keep the setting
>> after choosing "none" for the event. I upgrade to every release of
>> Quicken every year and I always turn off the "Open Program" sound and
>> have never had a problem with it until now (immediately after upgrading
>> to 2007).
>>
>> So, in a nutshell, I had Quicken 2006 loaded and had the sound turned off
>> (I keep all of the other sounds on). 10 minutes later after upgrading to
>> Q2007, I immediately go into Control Panel / Sounds to turn off the Open
>> Program sound, and Windows will not retain the setting to "None".
>>
>> Just for kicks, I tried changing some default Windows sounds in other
>> category's, and they keep the changes with no problem. It's ONLY the
>> sounds within the Quicken Category that don't save.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Margaret - and Bert.
>>>
>>> Sounds in Quicken! This is actually a 3-part problem. It's one part
>>> Quicken and two parts Windows. ;^}
>>>
>>> First, in Quicken, turn on sounds, of course. This is in Edit |
>>> Preferences | Quicken Program | Setup, just where you might expect it.
>>> But, as you say, there is no "granularity" here. There's no option in
>>> Quicken to change "that cha-ching" to a chime or a siren, for example.
>>>
>>> Second, in Windows, click Start | Control Panel | Sounds. (In some
>>> Windows versions, this is slightly different; I'm running the beta
>>> version of the upcoming Windows Vista and instead of Sounds, I click
>>> Audio Devices and Sound Themes, and then the Sounds tab.) There's a
>>> drop-down list of Sound Schemes; you probably are using the default,
>>> but if you've customized your scheme, your list might be different. The
>>> top Program Event here is Windows and it has many sub-events under it.
>>> At the end of that long list you may see other major headings, but
>>> somewhere near the bottom should be a Quicken heading with about 8
>>> events under it, including Click, Delete and Open Program. Click on the
>>> Record event and see what is entered in the Sounds box below, just above
>>> the OK button. Mine shows qrecord.wav, which is the default, I think.
>>> Click on that Test button to hear the sound and see if it is what you
>>> expect. Then, if you like, click the drop-down arrow to select a
>>> different sound (you can test each one until you find what you want) or
>>> choose the top choice, which is (None). If you don't like any of these
>>> choices, click the Browse button to search your whole computer for other
>>> sounds.
>>>
>>> Third, sometimes Quicken does not appear at all in that list of Program
>>> Events in the Sounds screen. That is very disconcerting to users who
>>> are told to do what I just said. Other Quicken users tell them to just
>>> look in Sounds under Quicken. The helper sees Quicken there on his/her
>>> screen and can't imagine that the other user can't see it there, too!
>>> The user sees nothing and doesn't know what the helper is talking about.
>>> Each thinks the other is hallucinating. :>(
>>>
>>> Solving this third situation is harder. Recent Windows versions (since
>>> Windows 2000) have stronger protection against unauthorized installation
>>> and use of programs on the computer. Since I'm a one-man, one-computer
>>> kind of guy with no net but the Internet, I've never had to get involved
>>> with multiple users, permissions and that sort of controls, so I don't
>>> understand a lot of these restrictions. But other users here can
>>> explain how you must install Quicken while running as Administrator or,
>>> later, use Quicken as the User who installed it. If you have no sounds,
>>> you will need to either reinstall Quicken or edit the Windows Registry.
>>> Back in 2002, we worked out the solution in this newsgroup, but I've
>>> forgotten the details. The basic idea is that the Sounds key in the
>>> Registry, including subkeys for all the sound events, must exist in
>>> HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuicken. One way to create
>>> that key there is to find that ..AppsQuicken key for another user in
>>> the Registry, Export the key to a .reg file, then Import that into HKCU.
>>> If you don't know what I'm talking about, then don't try it; get a geek
>>> friend to help you. (The good news is that you probably can keep that
>>> .reg file and use it next time you upgrade or reinstall Quicken; that's
>>> what I've done.)
>>>
>>> Such a small problem that can be either very easy to fix - or very hard.
>>>
>>> RC
>>>
>>>
>>>> Bert wrote:
>>>>> I don't know if this is a Windows problem, or a Q2007 problem, but I
>>>>> DO know that it only started when I upgraded from Q2006 to Q2007
>>>>> yesterday. By default, when you launch Quicken, it has a chime.
>>>>> Normally, you can turn this sound off via Control Panel in Windows. I
>>>>> have turned this sound off numerous times since upgrading to Q2007,
>>>>> but the change never sticks. I go back and launch Quicken, and the
>>>>> sound is still there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone else noticing this?
>>>>
>>>> If you're making the change to your Windows sound scheme, and it's not
>>>> "taking," I wonder if the change is actually getting saved. BTW, in
>>>> this case, I believe it's a Windows issue, not a Quicken issue. That
>>>> is, unless Quicken is modifying the Windows sound scheme based on the
>>>> sound settings within Quicken itself. I turn off Quicken sounds within
>>>> Quicken, as I can't stand that cha-ching every time I enter a
>>>> transaction. IIRC, Quicken is the only program for which I have sound
>>>> turned off. Unfortunately it's all or nothing for sound settings within
>>>> Quicken, but that makes sense considering there's more granularity in
>>>> Windows sound settings.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Margaret
>



Posted by Andrew DeFaria on August 10, 2006, 10:39 am
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Bert wrote:
> R.C. - Turning off the "Open Program" sound within Windows via the
> Control Panel is what I am talking about that doesn't keep the setting
> after choosing "none" for the event. I upgrade to every release of
> Quicken every year and I always turn off the "Open Program" sound and
> have never had a problem with it until now (immediately after
> upgrading to 2007).
>
> So, in a nutshell, I had Quicken 2006 loaded and had the sound turned
> off (I keep all of the other sounds on). 10 minutes later after
> upgrading to Q2007, I immediately go into Control Panel / Sounds to
> turn off the Open Program sound, and Windows will not retain the
> setting to "None".
>
> Just for kicks, I tried changing some default Windows sounds in other
> category's, and they keep the changes with no problem. It's ONLY the
> sounds within the Quicken Category that don't save.
If you go into the Control Panel and turn off the sound then exit the
Control Panel and go into it again, does the setting say None or qopen?
If it reverts to qopen then that's a Windows problem. If it doesn't then
start Quicken. Do you hear the sound? If so get out of the Control Panel
and enter it again and check. Was Quicken the one responsible for
resetting it?

Also have you tried simply renaming that wav file? That oughta stop the
sucker!

--

Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
Tell a man that there are 400 billion stars and he'll believe you. Say a
bench has wet paint and he has to touch it.

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Bert wrote:<font color="#999999"></font>
<blockquote cite="mid9fKdnUEhJexIz0fZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@comcast.com"
type="cite">R.C. - Turning off the "Open Program" sound within Windows
via the Control Panel is what I am talking about that doesn't keep the
setting after choosing "none" for the event. I upgrade to every release
of Quicken every year and I always turn off the "Open Program" sound
and have never had a problem with it until now (immediately after
upgrading to 2007).<br>
<br>
So, in a nutshell, I had Quicken 2006 loaded and had the sound turned
off (I keep all of the other sounds on). 10 minutes later after
upgrading to Q2007, I immediately go into Control Panel / Sounds to
turn off the Open Program sound, and Windows will not retain the
setting to "None".<br>
<br>
Just for kicks, I tried changing some default Windows sounds in other
category's, and they keep the changes with no problem. It's ONLY the
sounds within the Quicken Category that don't save.<br>
</blockquote>
If you go into the Control Panel and turn off the sound then exit the
Control Panel and go into it again, does the setting say None or qopen?
If it reverts to qopen then that's a Windows problem. If it doesn't
then start Quicken. Do you hear the sound? If so get out of the Control
Panel and enter it again and check. Was Quicken the one responsible for
resetting it?<br>
<br>
Also have you tried simply renaming that wav file? That oughta stop the
sucker!<br>
<pre>-- </pre>
<a href="http://defaria.com">Andrew DeFaria</a><br>
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Posted by Bert on August 10, 2006, 5:54 pm
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It reverts back to qopen. True, I could rename the file.... Just =
trying to figure out what went wrong since the upgrade.

Thanks


Bert wrote:=20
R.C. - Turning off the "Open Program" sound within Windows via the =
Control Panel is what I am talking about that doesn't keep the setting =
after choosing "none" for the event. I upgrade to every release of =
Quicken every year and I always turn off the "Open Program" sound and =
have never had a problem with it until now (immediately after upgrading =
to 2007).

So, in a nutshell, I had Quicken 2006 loaded and had the sound =
turned off (I keep all of the other sounds on). 10 minutes later after =
upgrading to Q2007, I immediately go into Control Panel / Sounds to turn =
off the Open Program sound, and Windows will not retain the setting to =
"None".

Just for kicks, I tried changing some default Windows sounds in =
other category's, and they keep the changes with no problem. It's ONLY =
the sounds within the Quicken Category that don't save.

If you go into the Control Panel and turn off the sound then exit the =
Control Panel and go into it again, does the setting say None or qopen? =
If it reverts to qopen then that's a Windows problem. If it doesn't then =
start Quicken. Do you hear the sound? If so get out of the Control Panel =
and enter it again and check. Was Quicken the one responsible for =
resetting it?

Also have you tried simply renaming that wav file? That oughta stop =
the sucker!

-- Andrew DeFaria
Tell a man that there are 400 billion stars and he'll believe you. Say =
a bench has wet paint and he has to touch it.

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Bert wrote:
> It reverts back to qopen. True, I could rename the file.... Just
> trying to figure out what went wrong since the upgrade.
My guess is that for some reason you lack permissions to write the
registry key to set the setting. You could try opening up regedit,
searching for qopen.wav then checking another similar setting to find
out how it represent "None" and set it directly in the registry.

Note: everybody direly warns about changing registry values but it's
really not that difficult or dangerous - especially this change. I do
things like this all the time...

Let's see. I have some time to play... In my registry I see qopen under:

HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Current

and perhaps:

HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Default

It's a string variable containing the pathname to the wav file of empty
if none. Therefore the following reg file, if double clicked from the
Explorer should work:

--

Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
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who can't.


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Bert wrote:
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<div><font size="2">It reverts back to qopen.&nbsp;&nbsp; True, I could rename
the file....&nbsp; Just trying to figure out what went wrong since the
upgrade.</font></div>
</blockquote>
My guess is that for some reason you lack permissions to write the
registry key to set the setting. You could try opening up regedit,
searching for qopen.wav then checking another similar setting to find
out how it represent "None" and set it directly in the registry. <br>
<br>
Note: everybody direly warns about changing registry values but it's
really not that difficult or dangerous - especially this change. I do
things like this all the time...<br>
<br>
Let's see. I have some time to play... In my registry I see qopen under:<br>
<br>
HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Current<br>
<br>
and perhaps:<br>
<br>
HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Default<br>
<br>
It's a string variable containing the pathname to the wav file of empty
if none. Therefore the following reg file, if double clicked from the
Explorer should work:<br>
<pre>-- </pre>
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Posted by Jay M Apple on August 10, 2006, 10:39 pm
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I just have to step in after nine posts in this thread plus one other =
one hanging from an earlier reply, because.... (please pardon my =
naivete, no disrespect intended, I benefit greatly and often from the =
opinions and insight of John Pollard, R. C. White, Andrew DeFaria, =
Margaret Wilson, et al)

Why sounds at all?=20
Isn't the opening screen and/or password dialog box (if password used) =
sufficient notice the program opened?
Does one not know one has just hit/clicked enter or whatever makes the =
latest entry shoot up into the register?
Are a few seconds of sound interrupting the soft (or not) music in the =
background really necessary to boost confidence yet another =
transaction/operation has been successfully completed?
When Quicken disappears - with or without inviting you to back up - are =
there lingering doubts that the app is still around?

Thank you. May we all have peace and quiet when we need them.

Jay
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pardon my=20
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opinions=20
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Wilson, et=20
al)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Why sounds at all? </FONT></DIV>
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(if=20
password used) sufficient notice the program opened?</FONT></DIV>
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whatever=20
makes the latest entry shoot up into the register?</FONT></DIV>
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the=20
background really necessary to boost confidence yet another=20
transaction/operation has been successfully completed?</DIV>
<DIV>When Quicken disappears - with or without inviting you to back up - =
are=20
there lingering doubts that the app is still around?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thank you. May we all have peace and quiet when we =
need=20
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