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Q2007 Sounds Bert 08-08-2006
---> Re: Q2007 Sounds Margaret Wilson08-08-2006
  ---> Re: Q2007 Sounds Andrew DeFaria08-13-2006
Posted by Bert on August 11, 2006, 11:49 pm
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There's only one (1) user on my system, and it's the one I use (which is
also the user that installed Quicken).


>
>> The sound setting fails to take place at all. In other words, I can
>> change the sound to "None", click "Apply", the go right back into the
>> setting and it has reverted back to the qopen sound file.
>>
>> Keep in mind, all other entries (other than Quicken) work properly and I
>> can change them at will.
>
> Are you logged on as either an administrator, or the user that installed
> Quicken?
>



Posted by Jerry Boyle on August 12, 2006, 11:41 am
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Bert,

Could you confirm whether or not the account you use has administrator
privileges (Control Panel -> User Accounts then look for "Computer
administrator" under the account name). If it does, that would definitely
eliminate any update permission issues.

I'm still not totally convinced that this isn't a Q2007 issue, especially
after Bert's latest response. Has anyone who has Q2007 running under Windows
XP confirmed that they can turn off the qopen sound? If not, could we please
have a guinea pig so that Q2007 can be conclusively eliminated as a suspect.

There are also a couple of areas that I don't completely understand that no
one has mentioned: sound schemes and registry locking. Either might explain
why only Quicken sounds are affected.

(1) Windows has sound schemes. I run with a single user account with
administrator privileges and I have 3 sound schemes under the Sounds tab of
the Sounds and Audio Properties form: an unnamed scheme (my active scheme -
the only one I ever use), another named No Sounds, and one named Windows
Default. When I bring up this form the Sound Scheme field is selected and
it's quite easy to inadvertently change the scheme, especially with a wheel
mouse. I'm not sure what effect it has on Quicken if you change the sound
scheme (especially between installation of two Quicken releases).

My account named "Administrator", which I seldom use, has only the No Sounds
and Windows Default sound schemes, the latter of which is active. Neither
has any Quicken sound entries. So it's my guess that Quicken installs its
sound entries under the currently active sound scheme of the account that
does the Quicken installation. Even if you installed Q2007 and a prior
release under different sound schemes that shouldn't cause your problem
unless there are quirks in Control Panel or Q2007. Both probably should just
use the current sound scheme.

A big assumption above is that Q2007 behaves like prior releases, which it
may not! You really need to browse your registry and confirm that you have
only the qopen.wav entries shown in Andrew's program. [You can safely ignore
any Most-Recently-Used list entries (look for "MRU" or "mrulist" in the
entry)]. If you find any additional entries this is a likely source of your
problem.

(2) Locking of registry entries. I know nothing about how Windows locks and
unlocks its registry entries. But I do know that locks on Windows files are
sometimes not released properly even if the process that used the file
terminates. The symptom is that you can't delete the file. Sometimes a
simple reboot lets you delete it, sometimes a Safe Mode reboot works, and
sometimes you have to boot in command prompt mode.

Have you tried turning off one of the other Quicken sounds? If you can do
this successfully it begins to look like a locked, corrupted or possibly a
duplicate entry for your qopen sound.

If you have a registry locking issue Andrew's program will probably bypass
the lock. If that doesn't work Control Panel and/or Andrew's program might
work if you boot in Safe Mode.

As a last resort you can boot into Safe Mode with Command Prompt mode and
type "regedit" to edit the registry directly. To exit this mode type "exit",
then Ctrl-Alt-Delete and select Shutdown.

Before you use Andrew's program or try to edit the registry you should
probably browse it to see what qopen.wav entries you have. Post back if you
want to do this and need help with it.

Based on my limited knowledge of Windows and Quicken, access permissions,
sound schemes, registry locking, corrupted or duplicate registry entries and
anomalies in Q2007 are the only things that can cause your problem. There
may be other possibilities that people in one of the Windows NGs might be
aware of.

Jerry

> There's only one (1) user on my system, and it's the one I use (which is
> also the user that installed Quicken).
>
>
>>
>>> The sound setting fails to take place at all. In other words, I can
>>> change the sound to "None", click "Apply", the go right back into the
>>> setting and it has reverted back to the qopen sound file.
>>>
>>> Keep in mind, all other entries (other than Quicken) work properly and I
>>> can change them at will.
>>
>> Are you logged on as either an administrator, or the user that installed
>> Quicken?
>>
>
>









Posted by Bert on August 12, 2006, 2:45 pm
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My account most definitely has admin privileges.

My reg file info:

HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Current
HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Default

Both of these have entries pointing to the qopen.wav file (even after
attempting to turn it off via Control Panel | Sounds. I also have 3 sound
schemes, and even saved one as my "Custom Theme" to try and edit it from
there - no luck.

I have tried changing all sounds with Quicken, and they all yield the same
results.

I checked my permissions and my account is set for Full Control over all of
the reg entries.

I would be very curious to see if anyone else running XP and Q2007 is having
the same issue.

Thanks,
Bert


> Bert,
>
> Could you confirm whether or not the account you use has administrator
> privileges (Control Panel -> User Accounts then look for "Computer
> administrator" under the account name). If it does, that would definitely
> eliminate any update permission issues.
>
> I'm still not totally convinced that this isn't a Q2007 issue, especially
> after Bert's latest response. Has anyone who has Q2007 running under
> Windows
> XP confirmed that they can turn off the qopen sound? If not, could we
> please
> have a guinea pig so that Q2007 can be conclusively eliminated as a
> suspect.
>
> There are also a couple of areas that I don't completely understand that
> no
> one has mentioned: sound schemes and registry locking. Either might
> explain
> why only Quicken sounds are affected.
>
> (1) Windows has sound schemes. I run with a single user account with
> administrator privileges and I have 3 sound schemes under the Sounds tab
> of
> the Sounds and Audio Properties form: an unnamed scheme (my active
> scheme -
> the only one I ever use), another named No Sounds, and one named Windows
> Default. When I bring up this form the Sound Scheme field is selected and
> it's quite easy to inadvertently change the scheme, especially with a
> wheel
> mouse. I'm not sure what effect it has on Quicken if you change the sound
> scheme (especially between installation of two Quicken releases).
>
> My account named "Administrator", which I seldom use, has only the No
> Sounds
> and Windows Default sound schemes, the latter of which is active. Neither
> has any Quicken sound entries. So it's my guess that Quicken installs its
> sound entries under the currently active sound scheme of the account that
> does the Quicken installation. Even if you installed Q2007 and a prior
> release under different sound schemes that shouldn't cause your problem
> unless there are quirks in Control Panel or Q2007. Both probably should
> just
> use the current sound scheme.
>
> A big assumption above is that Q2007 behaves like prior releases, which it
> may not! You really need to browse your registry and confirm that you have
> only the qopen.wav entries shown in Andrew's program. [You can safely
> ignore
> any Most-Recently-Used list entries (look for "MRU" or "mrulist" in the
> entry)]. If you find any additional entries this is a likely source of
> your
> problem.
>
> (2) Locking of registry entries. I know nothing about how Windows locks
> and
> unlocks its registry entries. But I do know that locks on Windows files
> are
> sometimes not released properly even if the process that used the file
> terminates. The symptom is that you can't delete the file. Sometimes a
> simple reboot lets you delete it, sometimes a Safe Mode reboot works, and
> sometimes you have to boot in command prompt mode.
>
> Have you tried turning off one of the other Quicken sounds? If you can do
> this successfully it begins to look like a locked, corrupted or possibly a
> duplicate entry for your qopen sound.
>
> If you have a registry locking issue Andrew's program will probably bypass
> the lock. If that doesn't work Control Panel and/or Andrew's program might
> work if you boot in Safe Mode.
>
> As a last resort you can boot into Safe Mode with Command Prompt mode and
> type "regedit" to edit the registry directly. To exit this mode type
> "exit",
> then Ctrl-Alt-Delete and select Shutdown.
>
> Before you use Andrew's program or try to edit the registry you should
> probably browse it to see what qopen.wav entries you have. Post back if
> you
> want to do this and need help with it.
>
> Based on my limited knowledge of Windows and Quicken, access permissions,
> sound schemes, registry locking, corrupted or duplicate registry entries
> and
> anomalies in Q2007 are the only things that can cause your problem. There
> may be other possibilities that people in one of the Windows NGs might be
> aware of.
>
> Jerry
>
>> There's only one (1) user on my system, and it's the one I use (which is
>> also the user that installed Quicken).
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> The sound setting fails to take place at all. In other words, I can
>>>> change the sound to "None", click "Apply", the go right back into the
>>>> setting and it has reverted back to the qopen sound file.
>>>>
>>>> Keep in mind, all other entries (other than Quicken) work properly and
>>>> I
>>>> can change them at will.
>>>
>>> Are you logged on as either an administrator, or the user that installed
>>> Quicken?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Posted by Andrew DeFaria on August 12, 2006, 6:38 pm
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Bert wrote:
> My account most definitely has admin privileges.
>
> My reg file info:
>
> HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Current
> HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Default
>
> Both of these have entries pointing to the qopen.wav file (even after
> attempting to turn it off via Control Panel | Sounds.
Run Regedit and expand the tree until you get to
HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Current.
That's what's called the registry key. As you state the value is set to
qopen.wav. On the right side of Regedit you should see that value.
Double click the (Default) under the name column and you'll see a dialog
box that has and edit box stating Value Data. Blank that out and click OK.

If that complains tell us the complaint. If it works, test by starting
Quicken. If it just doesn't take or if it complains try right clicking
on the key in the tree on the left and selecting Permissions. If your
user ID in the list of Group or user names? What access do you have? If
necessary add your login name and give it full control. Then go back and
try to change the value to "" again.

> I also have 3 sound schemes, and even saved one as my "Custom Theme"
> to try and edit it from there - no luck.
>
> I have tried changing all sounds with Quicken, and they all yield the
> same results.
>
> I checked my permissions and my account is set for Full Control over
> all of the reg entries.
Really?!? There are literally thousands if not hundreds of thousands of
registry entries in your registry. Each have ACLs. You've checked them
all through regedit by right clicking on each and every one and checking
the permissions dialog box?!? I find that very difficult to believe.
> I would be very curious to see if anyone else running XP and Q2007 is
> having the same issue.
Again, perform the above actions and get back to us...

As an aside, if you make a little .reg file like I did you'd see that
Windows associates .reg files with regedit. Running regedit <reg
file.reg> will simply merge the registry entries into your registry
prompting first. You can run regedit /s <reg file.reg> to suppress the
prompt. This action will run as the user running the reg file subject to
the access level and permissions of that user.

--

Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
There are 3 kinds of people in this world. Those who can count and those
who can't.

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Bert wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid3-ydnYz9VpIuvEPZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com"
type="cite">My account most definitely has admin privileges.<br>
<br>
My reg file info:<br>
<br>
HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Current<br>
HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Default<br>
<br>
Both of these have entries pointing to the qopen.wav file (even after&nbsp;
attempting to turn it off via Control Panel | Sounds. </blockquote>
Run Regedit and expand the tree until you get to
HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Current.
That's what's called the registry key. As you state the value is set to
qopen.wav. On the right side of Regedit you should see that value.
Double click the (Default) under the name column and you'll see a
dialog box that has and edit box stating Value Data. Blank that out and
click OK.<br>
<br>
If that complains tell us the complaint. If it works, test by starting
Quicken. If it just doesn't take or if it complains try right clicking
on the key in the tree on the left and selecting Permissions. If your
user ID in the list of Group or user names? What access do you have? If
necessary add your login name and give it full control. Then go back
and try to change the value to "" again.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid3-ydnYz9VpIuvEPZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com"
type="cite"> I also have 3 sound schemes, and even saved one as my
"Custom Theme" to try and edit it from there - no luck.<br>
<br>
I have tried changing all sounds with Quicken, and they all yield the
same results.<br>
<br>
I checked my permissions and my account is set for Full Control over
all of&nbsp; the reg entries.<br>
</blockquote>
Really?!? There are literally thousands if not hundreds of thousands of
registry entries in your registry. Each have ACLs. You've checked them
all through regedit by right clicking on each and every one and
checking the permissions dialog box?!? I find that very difficult to
believe.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid3-ydnYz9VpIuvEPZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com"
type="cite">I would be very curious to see if anyone else running XP
and Q2007 is having&nbsp; the same issue.<br>
</blockquote>
Again, perform the above actions and get back to us...<br>
<br>
As an aside, if you make a little .reg file like I did you'd see that
Windows associates .reg files with regedit. Running regedit &lt;reg
file.reg&gt; will simply merge the registry entries into your registry
prompting first. You can run regedit /s &lt;reg file.reg&gt; to
suppress the prompt. This action will run as the user running the reg
file subject to the access level and permissions of that user.<br>
<br>
<pre>-- </pre>
<a href="http://defaria.com">Andrew DeFaria</a><br>
<small><font color="#999999">There are 3 kinds of people in this world.
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Posted by Bert on August 12, 2006, 6:52 pm
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: quoted-printable

In regard to my "premissions" statement when I said that I had Full =
Control over all the reg entries, I was referring to all of the QUICKEN =
reg entries, and yes, I checked each and every one of them.

Bert wrote:=20
My account most definitely has admin privileges.

My reg file info:

HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen =
Program.Current
HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen =
Program.Default

Both of these have entries pointing to the qopen.wav file (even =
after attempting to turn it off via Control Panel | Sounds.=20
Run Regedit and expand the tree until you get to =
HKEY_CURRENT_USERAppEventsSchemesAppsQuickenOpen Program.Current. =
That's what's called the registry key. As you state the value is set to =
qopen.wav. On the right side of Regedit you should see that value. =
Double click the (Default) under the name column and you'll see a dialog =
box that has and edit box stating Value Data. Blank that out and click =
OK.

If that complains tell us the complaint. If it works, test by starting =
Quicken. If it just doesn't take or if it complains try right clicking =
on the key in the tree on the left and selecting Permissions. If your =
user ID in the list of Group or user names? What access do you have? If =
necessary add your login name and give it full control. Then go back and =
try to change the value to "" again.


I also have 3 sound schemes, and even saved one as my "Custom Theme" =
to try and edit it from there - no luck.

I have tried changing all sounds with Quicken, and they all yield =
the same results.

I checked my permissions and my account is set for Full Control over =
all of the reg entries.

Really?!? There are literally thousands if not hundreds of thousands =
of registry entries in your registry. Each have ACLs. You've checked =
them all through regedit by right clicking on each and every one and =
checking the permissions dialog box?!? I find that very difficult to =
believe.

I would be very curious to see if anyone else running XP and Q2007 =
is having the same issue.

Again, perform the above actions and get back to us...

As an aside, if you make a little .reg file like I did you'd see that =
Windows associates .reg files with regedit. Running regedit <reg =
file.reg> will simply merge the registry entries into your registry =
prompting first. You can run regedit /s <reg file.reg> to suppress the =
prompt. This action will run as the user running the reg file subject to =
the access level and permissions of that user.


-- Andrew DeFaria
There are 3 kinds of people in this world. Those who can count and =
those who can't.
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