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Q2008D = Do 'scheduled OSU' really work? Andrew 12-27-2007
Posted by Andrew on January 1, 2008, 2:23 pm
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 Han wrote:
>
>> Well, as I think John Pollard mentioned, apparently there ARE
>> "issues" as to whether or not one has a password on the fileset in
>> question. Without the password assigned, the scheduled OSU works
>> fine. An ICON appears in the system tray indicating I have
>> transactions to process. However, when I put the password on the
>> fileset, it doesn't download properly, and a little icon shows up in
>> my system tray telling me I have had problems.
>>
>> So, I am not sure if this is a "bug" or a "feature". Since I would
>> think if a password is on the file when one sets up the scheduled
>> OSU, it should not be a security issue to program the update to
>> ignore the password. So I did report it as a "bug" and I'll see
>> what the response is from Intuit.
>>
> It is my feeling that is is not a bug. If you consider the data
> important enough to require a password, than just having the user
> account active should not defeat the Quicken fileset's password, and
> that is what you are asking for, I think.
>
> Just my opinion!

Han - I understand your point; that is why I too am not 100% sure either.
But I tend to think it's a bug. "Works as coded" as opposed to "works as
designed" as we say in operating system development.

I view the password facility as a means of keeping other HUMAN eyes off the
data, not the components of Quicken. As I said, one had to be IN the
program to set up the scheduled OSU anyway, so I don't see why having a
password on the fileset should prevent the other COMPONENT of Q (ie: the
scheduled OSU code) to prevent it from doing its download thing even if it
is at a later point in time.

And if there is indeed a difference of opinion, then there should be a user
option to go one way or the other; hell - I'll even throw you a bone and say
to make your way the default given such an option!! But give me the option!

Happy New Year my friend.

------------------------------------------
Regards -

- Andrew



Posted by Han on January 1, 2008, 3:28 pm
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> And if there is indeed a difference of opinion, then there should be a
> user option to go one way or the other; hell - I'll even throw you a
> bone and say to make your way the default given such an option!! But
> give me the option!

Well, let's hope that Intuit will chime in somewhere on this subject (I
understand they don't monitor this NG - the days of Bruce Lee are long
gone.)

> Happy New Year my friend.

Happy, healthy and successful 2008 to you too!
--
Best regards
Han
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Posted by Wendell Watanabe on January 1, 2008, 5:33 pm
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Andrew wrote:
> Han wrote:
>>
>>> Well, as I think John Pollard mentioned, apparently there ARE
>>> "issues" as to whether or not one has a password on the fileset in
>>> question. Without the password assigned, the scheduled OSU works
>>> fine. An ICON appears in the system tray indicating I have
>>> transactions to process. However, when I put the password on the
>>> fileset, it doesn't download properly, and a little icon shows up in
>>> my system tray telling me I have had problems.
>>>
>>> So, I am not sure if this is a "bug" or a "feature". Since I would
>>> think if a password is on the file when one sets up the scheduled
>>> OSU, it should not be a security issue to program the update to
>>> ignore the password. So I did report it as a "bug" and I'll see
>>> what the response is from Intuit.
>>>
>> It is my feeling that is is not a bug. If you consider the data
>> important enough to require a password, than just having the user
>> account active should not defeat the Quicken fileset's password, and
>> that is what you are asking for, I think.
>>
>> Just my opinion!
>
> Han - I understand your point; that is why I too am not 100% sure either.
> But I tend to think it's a bug. "Works as coded" as opposed to "works as
> designed" as we say in operating system development.
>
> I view the password facility as a means of keeping other HUMAN eyes off the
> data, not the components of Quicken. As I said, one had to be IN the
> program to set up the scheduled OSU anyway, so I don't see why having a
> password on the fileset should prevent the other COMPONENT of Q (ie: the
> scheduled OSU code) to prevent it from doing its download thing even if it
> is at a later point in time.
>
> And if there is indeed a difference of opinion, then there should be a user
> option to go one way or the other; hell - I'll even throw you a bone and say
> to make your way the default given such an option!! But give me the option!

Having people not have a password on their data to use a feature of
Quicken seems like a really bad idea to me!

Posted by John Pollard on January 2, 2008, 12:06 pm
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Andrew wrote:
> Well, as I think John Pollard mentioned, apparently there ARE
> "issues" as to whether or not one has a password on the
> fileset in
> question. Without the password assigned, the scheduled OSU
> works
> fine. An ICON appears in the system tray indicating I have
> transactions to process. However, when I put the password on
> the
> fileset, it doesn't download properly, and a little icon shows
> up in
> my system tray telling me I have had problems.
> So, I am not sure if this is a "bug" or a "feature". Since I
> would
> think if a password is on the file when one sets up the
> scheduled
> OSU, it should not be a security issue to program the update
> to
> ignore the password. So I did report it as a "bug" and I'll
> see what
> the response is from Intuit.

I believe it is a bug also, and I think Intuit has already
acknowledged it several months ago in the Quicken forums.

I don't think the bug was present in the earliest versions of
Quicken that had Scheduled Updates (but I'm going on memory
here).

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John Pollard
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Posted by Andrew on January 2, 2008, 8:30 pm
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John Pollard wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>> Well, as I think John Pollard mentioned, apparently there ARE
>> "issues" as to whether or not one has a password on the
>> fileset in
>> question. Without the password assigned, the scheduled OSU
>> works
>> fine. An ICON appears in the system tray indicating I have
>> transactions to process. However, when I put the password on
>> the
>> fileset, it doesn't download properly, and a little icon shows
>> up in
>> my system tray telling me I have had problems.
>> So, I am not sure if this is a "bug" or a "feature". Since I
>> would
>> think if a password is on the file when one sets up the
>> scheduled
>> OSU, it should not be a security issue to program the update
>> to
>> ignore the password. So I did report it as a "bug" and I'll
>> see what
>> the response is from Intuit.
>
> I believe it is a bug also, and I think Intuit has already
> acknowledged it several months ago in the Quicken forums.
>
> I don't think the bug was present in the earliest versions of
> Quicken that had Scheduled Updates (but I'm going on memory
> here).

"...and I think Intuit has already acknowledged it several months ago in the
Quicken forums."

John - I don't follow the Q forums very much (should I?), as most of what I
glean about Q I get from this NG here. But I did try to do a few searches
before I posted the 'bug' report as a good citizen and didn't find anything
in return. Of course, that is only as good as the keywords and search
mechanisms. I haven't heard from them yet.
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Regards -

- Andrew



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