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Questions for Vista users John Pollard 04-17-2007
Posted by David A. Lessnau on April 18, 2007, 9:58 am
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John (and Margaret, too),

No. I'm running under a standard Vista user account with User Account
Control (UAC) turned on (default). See
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/aa906021.aspx

I finally remembered the actual term for the "shortcuts" to those old,
XP-style directories: they're "junction points." Basically, they're a way
for the system to automatically find things from the old-style directory
structure. For instance, the D&S junction automatically forwards all
references to D&S to the Users directory tree. Here's a good link about
junction points:

http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm

That link includes a list of all the junction points in a fresh Vista
installation.

Regarding the QW.CFG file, running as a standard user with UAC on, doing a
Start | Search | Advanced with Location set to the C: drive, "Include
non-indexed, hidden, and system files" checked, and (file)Name of qw.cfg,
gives me three results: 1) the qwpkg.cfg Margaret referenced in the
Quicken's installation directory (why, I don't know), 2) the qw.cfg file,
itself, under C:UsersDaveAppDataRoamingIntuitQuickenConfig, 3) and a
shortcut to that qw.cfg file.

For Margaret: the easiest way to find the path is just right-click on a
Search result and select Properties. You can also right-click somewhere on
the Search Results pane, select Sort By | More and check the Folder Path box
(there's probably a better way to get that attribute showing, but that's how
I did it).

For John: yes, the file can be deleted.




> Am I right that both of you are running as admins?
>
> If you were running as a limited user (is that a legitimate term
> for Vista?) - as a non-admin user, if you like; would you be
> able to locate "qw.cfg". Would you be
> able to delete it?
>
> --
> John Pollard
> First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
> Please reply to newsgroup
>
>
>
>


Posted by John Pollard on April 18, 2007, 10:26 am
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David A. Lessnau wrote:
> John (and Margaret, too),
>
> No. I'm running under a standard Vista user account with
> User Account Control (UAC) turned on (default). See
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/aa906021.aspx
>
> I finally remembered the actual term for the "shortcuts"
> to those old, XP-style directories: they're "junction
> points." Basically, they're a way for the system to
> automatically find things from the old-style directory
> structure. For instance, the D&S junction automatically
> forwards all references to D&S to the Users directory
> tree. Here's a good link about junction points:
> http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm
>
> That link includes a list of all the junction points in a
> fresh Vista installation.
>
> Regarding the QW.CFG file, running as a standard user
> with UAC on, doing a Start | Search | Advanced with
> Location set to the C: drive, "Include non-indexed,
> hidden, and system files" checked, and (file)Name of
> qw.cfg, gives me three results: 1) the qwpkg.cfg
> Margaret referenced in the Quicken's installation
> directory (why, I don't know), 2) the qw.cfg file,
> itself, under
> C:UsersDaveAppDataRoamingIntuitQuickenConfig, 3)
> and a shortcut to that qw.cfg file.
> For Margaret: the easiest way to find the path is just
> right-click on a Search result and select Properties. You can
> also right-click somewhere on the Search Results
> pane, select Sort By | More and check the Folder Path box
> (there's probably a better way to get that attribute
> showing, but that's how I did it).
> For John: yes, the file can be deleted.

Great. Thank you.

--
John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
Please reply to newsgroup




Posted by Margaret on April 18, 2007, 10:40 am
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Thanks for the links and the tip, David! I'll have to experiment more
with the Vista search, as it sounds like we both used the same settings.

Thx again,

Margaret

David A. Lessnau wrote:
> John (and Margaret, too),
>
> No. I'm running under a standard Vista user account with User Account
> Control (UAC) turned on (default). See
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/aa906021.aspx
>
> I finally remembered the actual term for the "shortcuts" to those old,
> XP-style directories: they're "junction points." Basically, they're a
> way for the system to automatically find things from the old-style
> directory structure. For instance, the D&S junction automatically
> forwards all references to D&S to the Users directory tree. Here's a
> good link about junction points:
>
> http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm

> For Margaret: the easiest way to find the path is just right-click on a
> Search result and select Properties. You can also right-click somewhere
> on the Search Results pane, select Sort By | More and check the Folder
> Path box (there's probably a better way to get that attribute showing,
> but that's how I did it)

Posted by John Pollard on April 17, 2007, 9:02 pm
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Margaret wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I've played a little with QP2007 on Vista Home Premium
> 32-bit. Here's what I have found so far:
>
> John Pollard wrote:
>> 1.) Does Vista have Windows Explorer? If not, what is
>> the Vista equivalent?

> Yes.

>> 2.) Does the Vista Windows Explorer (equivalent) default
>> to hiding the XP equivalent of "protected operating
>> system files"?
>
> IIRC, yes, and I believe that I promptly edited the
> folder settings to show all system files, extensions,
> etc., very similar to what I've done with XP.

>> 3.) Does the Vista Windows Explorer (equivalent) have a
>> Search feature? Is there any appreciable difference in
>> the Vista Search feature from the XP Search feature.

> Yes. It's much more thorough than the XP Search feature.
> There's a search window at the bottom of the Start menu,
> where you can type your query, quite similar to Google
> Desktop. However, I've been using Google Desktop
> (advanced features turned off), and it seems to be faster
> and more lightweight resource-wise. What I'd like to do
> with Vista is install fewer utility apps and stick with
> major applications. We'll see how Vista's built-in
> utilities fair over time....

>> 4.) Does Vista have a "Documents and Settings" folder? If
>> not, is there an equivalent and what is its name?

> There's a folder called this, but it's really a shortcut
> to the C:users folder. Each user has a subfolder within
> C:users, and containing (by default), both user files
> and profile configuration. It's possible to move most of
> these folders to an alternate location, but there's
> currently no free TweakUI for Vista, so you must edit the
> registry to change the locations. (There's TweakVI, but
> the pay version has most of the important tweaks, and
> IIRC, not the ability to move these folders.)

>> 5.) Does Quicken install folders in the Vista "Documents
>> and Settings" folder? In both the "All Users" folder
>> and the folder for each specific Windows user?

> This I'm still figuring out. There are shortcuts w/in
> C:Users for "All Users" and "Default User". The
> shortcut for "Default User" opens C:usersdefault. I
> can't see what "All Users" points to, and the properties
> isn't telling....

>> 6.) Does Quicken install a file named qw.cfg anywhere on
>> your hard drive for Vista users? If yes, where?

> Yes, it's in C:Program DataIntuitQuicken

Interesting. "Program Data" as opposed to "Program Files"? Do
the executible programs generally get installed in "Program
Files"? If so, what is the realationship between "Program
Files" and "Program Data"? Is "Data" a subfolder to "Files" or
are they at the same folder level? Or ... ?

>> 7.) Do any of the answers to the questions above differ
>> if you are using different flavors of Vista: are the
>> answers different for users of Vista Home Basic, Vista
>> Home Premium, or Vista Ultimate?

> This I can't answer, having only hand my hands on Home
> Premium. From what I've read about the different
> flavors, I would think not. But ya never know.... I'm
> hoping this will get you started, and that someone who's
> been using Vista longer can provide more detail.
> By this time after XP came out, I think I was probably
> using it as my main OS. Having recently gotten my hands
> on Vista, I'm feeling a bit unfamiliar, and I find a
> number of strange things going on like the disappearance
> of my Recycle Bin. So I've resigned myself to using this
> installation for learning, figuring it's going to get
> good and messed up. Hopefully by then I'll have figured
> out enough of Vista's idiosyncrasies that I can do a
> fresh install after a while and be able to switch to
> Vista full-time. For what I've seen, though, QP2007 runs
> just fine on Vista. I did finally disable UAC, because
> it was just too annoying. I'm hoping MS tweaks this
> feature to be less so, since I would prefer to keep all
> security measures turned on.
> Anyway, my 2 cents, hope it helps some....

Many thanks Margaret; you always provide good answers.

--
John Pollard
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Posted by Margaret on April 17, 2007, 10:27 pm
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John Pollard wrote:
>
> Interesting. "Program Data" as opposed to "Program Files"? Do
> the executible programs generally get installed in "Program
> Files"? If so, what is the realationship between "Program
> Files" and "Program Data"? Is "Data" a subfolder to "Files" or
> are they at the same folder level? Or ... ?

As David pointed out, I made a typo. The directory is actually
C:ProgramData, and it seems to contain folders of application settings
like what we see under "Documents & Settings" in XP. C:Program Files
is an actual folder containing subfolders for installed applications. I
navigated to C:Program Files from "Computer". Depending on where you
are, you *can* see a shortcut for "Program Files".

Now I'm running as an Admin, and I've turned off UAC. So I see all
those shortcuts (distracting in a way), that David mentions. But then
again, my purpose is to see how the OS runs from the inside out, before
I layer back UAC and try to run as a plain old user.

I've picked up a few books on Vista hoping to get at least a rudimentary
grasp of the OS before buying it. Well, "picturing" things w/o having
an installation to dig around in and play with can be somewhat
unproductive ... or at least confusing. So I don't know how you feel
about checking about books, but I've found O'Reilly's "Windows Vista in
a Nutshell," Paul Thurrott's "Windows Vista Secrets," and David Pogue's
"Windows Vista - The Missing Manual" all to be quite good. And all are
substantially discounted at Bookpool.Com, too. :-) I've just been
reading little bits here and there of each and noodling around with
Vista HP, not in any hurry to migrate ... so far. :-)

> Many thanks Margaret; you always provide good answers.

Y'welcome John. Thank you for your kind compliment! :-)

Regards,

Margaret


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