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Quicken 2006 with Fidelity as Core Account David In NH 09-02-2006
Posted by John Pollard on September 3, 2006, 2:37 pm
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> John Pollard wrote:
>
>> I agree it is probably a Fidelity issue; but Fidelity is not
>> consistent in this regard.

> There seems to be a question as to whether the same info re:
> cash
> transactions is downloaded when the underlying account at Fido
> is a
> brokerage account vs. a m/f account.
> M/F type accounts can hold only Fidelity funds. Brokerage
> accounts can
> hold pretty much anything (depending upon features of the
> account).
>
> The only m/f type accounts that my wife and I have at Fido are
> fully
> invested (no "cash" position within the account), so I can't
> research
> whether m/f accounts download cash transactions differently.
> For my
> brokerage accounts, they consistently download MMF
> transactions as cash
> (without regard to wheter the brokerage account is a
> retirement account
> or not) ... NOT as buys/sells to the MMF.
>
> Perhaps others can add further info re: cash activity in m/f
> type
> accounts.

My Fidelity account is a brokerage account, but it only holds
two mutual funds, one of them being the mm fund.



Posted by danbrown on September 3, 2006, 4:26 pm
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John Pollard wrote:
> > The only m/f type accounts that my wife and I have at Fido are
> > fully
> > invested (no "cash" position within the account),
>
> My Fidelity account is a brokerage account, but it only holds
> two mutual funds, one of them being the mm fund.

Clarifying my earlier post ... the 2 m/f type accounts that we hold (my
Sep-IRA and my Roth) hold only a single stock mutual fund each and
when I make deposits/purchases in these accounts, the funds go directly
to the equity fund ... so there's no cash AND no MMF in these two
accounts. {and for the curious, they're "regular" investment accounts
in Quicken ... not SMF]

John, it appears that your Fido brokerage account is acting exactly the
same as my brokerage accts were acting before I sold the MMF -- within
Quicken, not in reality -- and just left the funds as cash. And what
you're reporting is that Fido is treating the MMF position as if it
were an interest-bearing cash position. Have you seen any
inconsistencies in that behavior?

Dan


Posted by John Pollard on September 3, 2006, 4:37 pm
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> John Pollard wrote:
>> My Fidelity account is a brokerage account, but it only holds
>> two mutual funds, one of them being the mm fund.

> Clarifying my earlier post ... the 2 m/f type accounts that we
> hold (my
> Sep-IRA and my Roth) hold only a single stock mutual fund each
> and
> when I make deposits/purchases in these accounts, the funds go
> directly
> to the equity fund ... so there's no cash AND no MMF in these
> two
> accounts. {and for the curious, they're "regular" investment
> accounts
> in Quicken ... not SMF]
>
> John, it appears that your Fido brokerage account is acting
> exactly the
> same as my brokerage accts were acting before I sold the
> MMF -- within
> Quicken, not in reality -- and just left the funds as cash.

> And what
> you're reporting is that Fido is treating the MMF position as
> if it
> were an interest-bearing cash position.

What I see downloaded is a Dividend transaction naming the mm
mutual fund each month, which I dutifully change to a
Reinvestment transaction. But the holdings that Fidelity
downloads have no balance for the mm fund and no cash balance.
Essentially, they get it all wrong.

> Have you seen any
> inconsistencies in that behavior?

It has been a couple of years since I had any other activity for
the mm fund other than the monthly "reinvestments"; so I can't
remember how the buy/sell transactions were downloaded (I have
them as Buy and Sell transactions in my register, but it
possible that I modified what was downloaded ... or that they
were not even downloaded ... I just can't tell anymore).



Posted by John Pollard on September 3, 2006, 9:25 pm
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> What I see downloaded is a Dividend transaction naming the mm
> mutual fund each month, which I dutifully change to a
> Reinvestment transaction. But the holdings that Fidelity
> downloads have no balance for the mm fund and no cash balance.
> Essentially, they get it all wrong.
>
>> Have you seen any
>> inconsistencies in that behavior?
>
> It has been a couple of years since I had any other activity
> for the mm fund other than the monthly "reinvestments"; so I
> can't remember how the buy/sell transactions were downloaded
> (I have them as Buy and Sell transactions in my register, but
> it possible that I modified what was downloaded ... or that
> they were not even downloaded ... I just can't tell anymore).

Sorry: I meant to add that my account with Fidelity is not a
retirement account.

--
John Pollard
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Posted by kirk on September 3, 2006, 2:55 pm
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It is my understanding that Quicken allows any Financial Institution to
represent cash (that is automatically swept into a MM account - in
Fidelity's case this is your Core account) as either Cash or as the
actual Money Market fund itself. If there is a choice, you get to
select that when the account is created (in Quicken).

In Fidelity's case, they only represent this as Cash.

I would like to see the actual positions in the M/M fund and see all
the individual transactions (Buys, Sell, IntInc, etc.) so that I can
track the performance of this - since Fidelity lets me choose whatever
I want as a Core account.

I did get a chance to request this from Quicken and was told that (a)
no-one asks for this and (b) it wasn't high enough priority to think
about.

So, I live with seeing this as Cash and rely on statements to see what
performance I am getting with my sweeps.

/d


danbrown wrote:
> John Pollard wrote:
>
> > I agree it is probably a Fidelity issue; but Fidelity is not
> > consistent in this regard.
> >
> There seems to be a question as to whether the same info re: cash
> transactions is downloaded when the underlying account at Fido is a
> brokerage account vs. a m/f account.
> M/F type accounts can hold only Fidelity funds. Brokerage accounts can
> hold pretty much anything (depending upon features of the account).
>
> The only m/f type accounts that my wife and I have at Fido are fully
> invested (no "cash" position within the account), so I can't research
> whether m/f accounts download cash transactions differently. For my
> brokerage accounts, they consistently download MMF transactions as cash
> (without regard to wheter the brokerage account is a retirement account
> or not) ... NOT as buys/sells to the MMF.
>
> Perhaps others can add further info re: cash activity in m/f type
> accounts.
>
> db


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