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Quicken 2006 with Fidelity as Core Account David In NH 09-02-2006
Posted by Ron on September 3, 2006, 9:16 pm
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I share the frustrations with Fidelity reflected in this thread. I too wish
they'd represent cash credits and debits in terms of the actual core MM fund
so that Quicken (2005P) could track that fund just as it does any other. I
do what others here do and change cash dividends in the core MM account to
reinvestments in that account (with a 1$ share price.)

FWIW, a Fidelity rep recently explained to me that, as regards brokerage
accounts, the default core MM fund for a retirement account is Fidelity Cash
Reserves (FCR). This is a bonafide MM mutual fund whose performance is
routinely reported, and whose balance can be adjusted in Quicken using the
reinvestment recategorization. However, for a *non*-retirement account, the
default core "fund" is something called FCASH. I've yet to locate any
information that indicates that FCASH is a real money market mutual fund, or
even find published performance data for it. (From statement data, it has a
lower rate of return than FCR. It seems to be some proprietary vehicle
Fidelity uses.

In one non-retirement account that I recently set up for a relative, we were
able to get the original core FCASH fund switched to Fidelity Cash Reserves,
but the transaction delivered by Fidelity to Quicken remains "FCASH"
(despite the fact that the online history properly reflects that the
transactions actually involve FCR.) I have to manually change the Q
register to FCR and alter it from a dividend paid to dividend reinvestment.
Maybe this FCASH represents some sort of "lowest-common-denominator"
reporting standard for all core accounts.

-Ron


Posted by danbrown on September 4, 2006, 5:27 pm
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Ron wrote:
> FWIW, a Fidelity rep recently explained to me that, as regards brokerage
> accounts, the default core MM fund for a retirement account is Fidelity Cash
> Reserves (FCR). This is a bonafide MM mutual fund whose performance is
> routinely reported, and whose balance can be adjusted in Quicken using the
> reinvestment recategorization. However, for a *non*-retirement account, the
> default core "fund" is something called FCASH. I've yet to locate any
> information that indicates that FCASH is a real money market mutual fund, or
> even find published performance data for it. (From statement data, it has a
> lower rate of return than FCR. It seems to be some proprietary vehicle
> Fidelity uses.

I believe you misunderstood what the rep told you. I'm looking at my
monthly reports from Fido for 1/06 & 7/06. The cash position in my
taxable "Fidelity Account" (a brokerage-type account) is shown as FCR
(symbol FDRXX). The same fund is shown in MY rollover IRA, my wife's
Rollover, my wife's SEP-IRA, my wife's Roth -- all of which are,
likewise, brokerage-type accounts. As I've said previously, the only 2
m/f type accounts that we own have no cash position (directly or MMF),
so I can't comment on those.

db


Posted by Tom B. on September 4, 2006, 6:17 pm
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I've been pretty happy using a linked checking account with my Fido
brokerage account. It does show dividends correctly. Although I don't
reinvest them. Also it doesn't introduce the sweep account. So "cash" is
the sweep account. I setup the linked checking account by using
Quicken's help. I recall it to be pretty simple to implement.

I use my brokerage account as a checking, savings and trading account.
So I do like keeping the records separate.

Thanks, Tom

Posted by Ron on September 4, 2006, 8:42 pm
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>> FWIW, a Fidelity rep recently explained to me that, as regards brokerage
>> accounts, the default core MM fund for a retirement account is Fidelity
>> Cash
>> Reserves (FCR). This is a bonafide MM mutual fund whose performance is
>> routinely reported, and whose balance can be adjusted in Quicken using
>> the
>> reinvestment recategorization. However, for a *non*-retirement account,
>> the
>> default core "fund" is something called FCASH. I've yet to locate any
>> information that indicates that FCASH is a real money market mutual fund,
>> or
>> even find published performance data for it. (From statement data, it
>> has a
>> lower rate of return than FCR. It seems to be some proprietary vehicle
>> Fidelity uses.
>
> I believe you misunderstood what the rep told you. I'm looking at my
> monthly reports from Fido for 1/06 & 7/06. The cash position in my
> taxable "Fidelity Account" (a brokerage-type account) is shown as FCR
> (symbol FDRXX). The same fund is shown in MY rollover IRA, my wife's
> Rollover, my wife's SEP-IRA, my wife's Roth -- all of which are,
> likewise, brokerage-type accounts. As I've said previously, the only 2
> m/f type accounts that we own have no cash position (directly or MMF),
> so I can't comment on those.

Well he may not have explicitly mentioned FCASH, but he did say that FCR
(FDRXX) is NOT the current default core for a taxable brokerage account at
the balance level we were discussing. This is supported by my own
experience (below). He also implied that their policy has evolved, so maybe
this wasn't always the case. Also, I know their policies tend to loosen up
as account balances and/or trading activities increase to a higher "tier
level."

Below is the core account selection section from the (online PDF) Fidelity
new account application. I oversee several Fidelity accounts for family
members. For two taxable brokerage accounts that I set up this year, I
chose the final option. Certainly, I can attest that after each account
opened, the first cash sweep showed up in "FCASH." Subsequently, I was able
to negotiate a change in this to the FDRXX. (The online history clearly
shows the withdrawal of cash from the one and deposit to the other.)
Perhaps you did the same for your taxable account, or perhaps it was
grandfathered under a prior policy, or perhaps its tier level was "high" at
the outset? In another taxable account I oversee, one of the state
municipal MM funds was requested for the core account on setup, and it has
always been reported as a separate fund.

Incidentally, Fidelity purportedly reviews its MM options here (you may need
to login to see it):

https://communications.fidelity.com/mm_rates.html

Nowhere do I see there a reference to "FCASH."

-Ron
CORE ACCOUNT (CHOOSE ONE)

All income from securities (dividends, capital gains, or sale proceeds) is
automatically deposited into your core account. Dividends from mutual funds
are reinvested in the originating fund. You can elect to change your
distributions by phone at 1-800-FIDELITY, or online at Fidelity.com.

Select a core account option where all of your cash is held and transactions
are processed (choose one).

Fidelity state municipal money market funds seek income from investments
that is free from both federal and state or city income tax. [several state
options were listed here]

Fidelity federal municipal money market funds seek income from investments
that is free from federal income tax.

Fidelity Municipal Money Market Fund

Fidelity Tax-Free Money Market Fund (This fund will not normally invest in
municipal securities whose interest is subject to the Federal Alternative
Minimum Tax.)

Fidelity taxable interest-bearing cash account is intended for money
awaiting reinvestment; interest rate may vary depending on assets. (This
account will be selected if no information is supplied or if your initial
investment is less than $5,000.)

Taxable Cash Account


Posted by John Pollard on September 4, 2006, 8:54 pm
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>
>>> FWIW, a Fidelity rep recently explained to me that, as
>>> regards brokerage
>>> accounts, the default core MM fund for a retirement account
>>> is Fidelity Cash
>>> Reserves (FCR). This is a bonafide MM mutual fund whose
>>> performance is
>>> routinely reported, and whose balance can be adjusted in
>>> Quicken using the
>>> reinvestment recategorization. However, for a
>>> *non*-retirement account, the
>>> default core "fund" is something called FCASH. I've yet to
>>> locate any
>>> information that indicates that FCASH is a real money market
>>> mutual fund, or
>>> even find published performance data for it. (From
>>> statement data, it has a
>>> lower rate of return than FCR. It seems to be some
>>> proprietary vehicle
>>> Fidelity uses.
>>
>> I believe you misunderstood what the rep told you. I'm
>> looking at my
>> monthly reports from Fido for 1/06 & 7/06. The cash position
>> in my
>> taxable "Fidelity Account" (a brokerage-type account) is
>> shown as FCR
>> (symbol FDRXX). The same fund is shown in MY rollover IRA,
>> my wife's
>> Rollover, my wife's SEP-IRA, my wife's Roth -- all of which
>> are,
>> likewise, brokerage-type accounts. As I've said previously,
>> the only 2
>> m/f type accounts that we own have no cash position (directly
>> or MMF),
>> so I can't comment on those.
>
> Well he may not have explicitly mentioned FCASH, but he did
> say that FCR (FDRXX) is NOT the current default core for a
> taxable brokerage account at the balance level we were
> discussing. This is supported by my own experience (below).
> He also implied that their policy has evolved, so maybe this
> wasn't always the case. Also, I know their policies tend to
> loosen up as account balances and/or trading activities
> increase to a higher "tier level."
>
> Below is the core account selection section from the (online
> PDF) Fidelity new account application. I oversee several
> Fidelity accounts for family members. For two taxable
> brokerage accounts that I set up this year, I chose the final
> option. Certainly, I can attest that after each account
> opened, the first cash sweep showed up in "FCASH."
> Subsequently, I was able to negotiate a change in this to the
> FDRXX. (The online history clearly shows the withdrawal of
> cash from the one and deposit to the other.) Perhaps you did
> the same for your taxable account, or perhaps it was
> grandfathered under a prior policy, or perhaps its tier level
> was "high" at the outset? In another taxable account I
> oversee, one of the state municipal MM funds was requested for
> the core account on setup, and it has always been reported as
> a separate fund.
>
> Incidentally, Fidelity purportedly reviews its MM options here
> (you may need to login to see it):
>
> https://communications.fidelity.com/mm_rates.html
>
> Nowhere do I see there a reference to "FCASH."
>
> -Ron
> CORE ACCOUNT (CHOOSE ONE)
>
> All income from securities (dividends, capital gains, or sale
> proceeds) is automatically deposited into your core account.
> Dividends from mutual funds are reinvested in the originating
> fund. You can elect to change your distributions by phone at
> 1-800-FIDELITY, or online at Fidelity.com.
>
> Select a core account option where all of your cash is held
> and transactions are processed (choose one).
>
> Fidelity state municipal money market funds seek income from
> investments that is free from both federal and state or city
> income tax. [several state options were listed here]
>
> Fidelity federal municipal money market funds seek income from
> investments that is free from federal income tax.
>
> Fidelity Municipal Money Market Fund
>
> Fidelity Tax-Free Money Market Fund (This fund will not
> normally invest in municipal securities whose interest is
> subject to the Federal Alternative Minimum Tax.)
>
> Fidelity taxable interest-bearing cash account is intended for
> money awaiting reinvestment; interest rate may vary depending
> on assets. (This account will be selected if no information is
> supplied or if your initial investment is less than $5,000.)
>
> Taxable Cash Account


Here's another data point.

My Fidelity brokerage account has always held its "cash" in a
tax-free mm fund; varying between California, Virginia, and
Florida.

The following is a repeat, not because I think anyone can't
read, but because this thread has gotten long and pertinent
information may be many posts behind (and my ISP only keeps
posts for about 24 hours).

I have a Fidelity non-tax-deferred brokerage account that has
always held its "cash" in tax-free money market funds
(California, Virginia, and Florida). Fidelity never reports
those holdings as cash, and never reports those holdings as
being in the mm funds ... it never reports those holdings at
all.



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