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Quicken 2008 Release 5 gk 12-10-2007
Posted by Hank Arnold (MVP) on December 19, 2007, 4:03 am
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John Pollard wrote:
> Steve Larson wrote:
>> Talk to anyone who has done work in the Oracle applications
>> arena. In my experience, everything that Accenture pushes
>> across the ocean
>> ends up getting rewritten by our domestic programmers.
>> Typically we
>> get thousands of lines of code, the rewrite ends up as
>> hundreds of
>> lines. In my past 20 years in the business of large corporate
>> back-office applications, I have seen nothing but shoddy
>> performance
>> from our friends overseas. It has only gotten worse over the
>> past
>> 5-10 years as Oracle, Accenture, and others exponentially
>> expand
>> their presence in India and other cheap labor sites.
>
> You're something Steve: you're not just a jerk; you're an
> asshole zenophobic jerk.
>
> Your pretended "analysis" of Quicken is totally worthless ...
> whatever problems Quicken (or any other product) is having, has
> NOTHING to do with the nationality of the programmers who write
> the code ... NOTHING.
>
> My experience tells me you haven't a clue what you're talking
> about I guarentee you I have at least as much experience in the
> "business" as you do. And I have plenty of experience with, and
> knowledge of, programmers from "other" countries.
>
> My experience also tells me that decent people NEVER say the
> things you say,
>
> If you don't like those "evil foreigners", you have a personal
> problem.
>
> Keep your personal problems to yourself.
>
> --
> John Pollard
> First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
> Please reply to newsgroup
>
>

Right on...........

--

Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services

Posted by Meebers on December 19, 2007, 9:51 am
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Sorry you are not getting your way ...again. Take your own advice :0(

>
> Keep your personal problems to yourself.
>
> --
> John Pollard
> First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
> Please reply to newsgroup
>



Posted by Steve Larson on December 20, 2007, 9:51 pm
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No need to get pissy, John, I'm just sharing my experiences. Your
inflammatory reaction to my depiction of life experience is WAY out of line.
Given the value you've added to this newsgroup, I'll grant that maybe you
are just having a bad day. I hope so, because you've really misinterpreted
my post, big-time.


> Steve Larson wrote:
>> Talk to anyone who has done work in the Oracle applications arena. In my
>> experience, everything that Accenture pushes across the ocean
>> ends up getting rewritten by our domestic programmers. Typically we
>> get thousands of lines of code, the rewrite ends up as hundreds of
>> lines. In my past 20 years in the business of large corporate
>> back-office applications, I have seen nothing but shoddy performance
>> from our friends overseas. It has only gotten worse over the past
>> 5-10 years as Oracle, Accenture, and others exponentially expand
>> their presence in India and other cheap labor sites.
>
> You're something Steve: you're not just a jerk; you're an asshole
> zenophobic jerk.
>
> Your pretended "analysis" of Quicken is totally worthless ... whatever
> problems Quicken (or any other product) is having, has NOTHING to do with
> the nationality of the programmers who write the code ... NOTHING.
>
> My experience tells me you haven't a clue what you're talking about I
> guarentee you I have at least as much experience in the "business" as you
> do. And I have plenty of experience with, and knowledge of, programmers
> from "other" countries.
>
> My experience also tells me that decent people NEVER say the things you
> say,
>
> If you don't like those "evil foreigners", you have a personal problem.
>
> Keep your personal problems to yourself.
>
> --
> John Pollard
> First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
> Please reply to newsgroup
>



Posted by Steve Larson on December 20, 2007, 9:56 pm
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One more point, I didn't impune your experience, so I don't need to engage
in a urinating for distance contest. I'm sure you have an extensive
background. Where you are incorrect is assuming your background precludes
my experience in the circumstance I described. Indians are some of the
nicest, most humble people on this planet. I couldn't care less WHICH
nationality they were, I just have less tolerance for companies seeking a
free lunch by outsourcing to cheap 3rd world markets just to earn a huge
executive bonus this quarter. Bigger picture stuff here, but allowing
corporations to turn their collective backs on the American workforce will
have devastating impacts on the US economy in the long term. If we had the
same trade laws as China and India, I'd be happy. I'm just not happy that
we're getting the short end of the deal...we're getting screwed senseless.


> Steve Larson wrote:
>> Talk to anyone who has done work in the Oracle applications arena. In my
>> experience, everything that Accenture pushes across the ocean
>> ends up getting rewritten by our domestic programmers. Typically we
>> get thousands of lines of code, the rewrite ends up as hundreds of
>> lines. In my past 20 years in the business of large corporate
>> back-office applications, I have seen nothing but shoddy performance
>> from our friends overseas. It has only gotten worse over the past
>> 5-10 years as Oracle, Accenture, and others exponentially expand
>> their presence in India and other cheap labor sites.
>
> You're something Steve: you're not just a jerk; you're an asshole
> zenophobic jerk.
>
> Your pretended "analysis" of Quicken is totally worthless ... whatever
> problems Quicken (or any other product) is having, has NOTHING to do with
> the nationality of the programmers who write the code ... NOTHING.
>
> My experience tells me you haven't a clue what you're talking about I
> guarentee you I have at least as much experience in the "business" as you
> do. And I have plenty of experience with, and knowledge of, programmers
> from "other" countries.
>
> My experience also tells me that decent people NEVER say the things you
> say,
>
> If you don't like those "evil foreigners", you have a personal problem.
>
> Keep your personal problems to yourself.
>
> --
> John Pollard
> First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
> Please reply to newsgroup
>



Posted by Steve Larson on December 20, 2007, 10:33 pm
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not only did I not impune, I didn't impugn either... ;-)


> One more point, I didn't impune your experience, so I don't need to engage
> in a urinating for distance contest. I'm sure you have an extensive
> background. Where you are incorrect is assuming your background precludes
> my experience in the circumstance I described. Indians are some of the
> nicest, most humble people on this planet. I couldn't care less WHICH
> nationality they were, I just have less tolerance for companies seeking a
> free lunch by outsourcing to cheap 3rd world markets just to earn a huge
> executive bonus this quarter. Bigger picture stuff here, but allowing
> corporations to turn their collective backs on the American workforce will
> have devastating impacts on the US economy in the long term. If we had
> the same trade laws as China and India, I'd be happy. I'm just not happy
> that we're getting the short end of the deal...we're getting screwed
> senseless.
>
>
>> Steve Larson wrote:
>>> Talk to anyone who has done work in the Oracle applications arena. In my
>>> experience, everything that Accenture pushes across the ocean
>>> ends up getting rewritten by our domestic programmers. Typically we
>>> get thousands of lines of code, the rewrite ends up as hundreds of
>>> lines. In my past 20 years in the business of large corporate
>>> back-office applications, I have seen nothing but shoddy performance
>>> from our friends overseas. It has only gotten worse over the past
>>> 5-10 years as Oracle, Accenture, and others exponentially expand
>>> their presence in India and other cheap labor sites.
>>
>> You're something Steve: you're not just a jerk; you're an asshole
>> zenophobic jerk.
>>
>> Your pretended "analysis" of Quicken is totally worthless ... whatever
>> problems Quicken (or any other product) is having, has NOTHING to do with
>> the nationality of the programmers who write the code ... NOTHING.
>>
>> My experience tells me you haven't a clue what you're talking about I
>> guarentee you I have at least as much experience in the "business" as you
>> do. And I have plenty of experience with, and knowledge of, programmers
>> from "other" countries.
>>
>> My experience also tells me that decent people NEVER say the things you
>> say,
>>
>> If you don't like those "evil foreigners", you have a personal problem.
>>
>> Keep your personal problems to yourself.
>>
>> --
>> John Pollard
>> First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
>> Please reply to newsgroup
>>
>
>



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