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Re: Question about average annual returns Enigman O'Maly 01-24-2007
Posted by Enigman O'Maly on January 24, 2007, 9:18 am
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I have a follow-up question to this thread, or maybe the same question
restated. I have a bunch of mutual funds, the oldest of which, VFINX,
I've held for 7 years. I own 5 others that I've held for more than 4
years, and the rest have been held for various lesser periods.

The ONLY fund that Quicken will display Returns for YTD, 1 year, 3
years, & 5 years is VFINX. The rest of the funds display N/A, for ALL
the above time spans.

It's almost as if I have to own a fund for more than five years in
order for Quicken to display ANY return percentages.

This problem does NOT occur on the half dozen or so individual stocks
that I own. They display appropriate return values dependent on how
long I've held them.

Anybody else have this problem, or even better, a solution to it?

Thanks in advance...

Posted by John Pollard on January 24, 2007, 10:16 am
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Enigman O'Maly wrote:
> I have a follow-up question to this thread, or maybe the
> same question restated. I have a bunch of mutual funds,
> the oldest of which, VFINX, I've held for 7 years. I own
> 5 others that I've held for more than 4 years, and the
> rest have been held for various lesser periods.
>
> The ONLY fund that Quicken will display Returns for YTD,
> 1 year, 3 years, & 5 years is VFINX. The rest of the
> funds display N/A, for ALL the above time spans.
>
> It's almost as if I have to own a fund for more than five
> years in order for Quicken to display ANY return
> percentages.
>
> This problem does NOT occur on the half dozen or so
> individual stocks that I own. They display appropriate
> return values dependent on how long I've held them.
>
> Anybody else have this problem, or even better, a
> solution to it?

What version/year of Quicken?

Are you looking at a view that has a "Group by" of "Accounts"?
What do you see if you "Group by" "Security"?

How did the securities that show "N/A" get in the account in
which they are currently held? Were they purchased in that
account? Or were they transferred into that account from
another Quicken account?

It appears to me that Quicken, probably rightly, computes
Average Annual Return for securities held in a account ... based
on the date the security was first held in the account ... not
necessarily the date the security was first acquired. In other
words: if you've only held the security in Account B for 4
years, there is no 5 Year Average Annual Return on that security
in that account.

If you switch the Group By to "Security", Quicken makes the
computation based strictly on the date the security was
acquired.

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John Pollard
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Posted by Enigman O'Maly on January 24, 2007, 10:30 am
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wrote:

>Enigman O'Maly wrote:
>> I have a follow-up question to this thread, or maybe the
>> same question restated. I have a bunch of mutual funds,
>> the oldest of which, VFINX, I've held for 7 years. I own
>> 5 others that I've held for more than 4 years, and the
>> rest have been held for various lesser periods.
>>
>> The ONLY fund that Quicken will display Returns for YTD,
>> 1 year, 3 years, & 5 years is VFINX. The rest of the
>> funds display N/A, for ALL the above time spans.
>>
>> It's almost as if I have to own a fund for more than five
>> years in order for Quicken to display ANY return
>> percentages.
>>
>> This problem does NOT occur on the half dozen or so
>> individual stocks that I own. They display appropriate
>> return values dependent on how long I've held them.
>>
>> Anybody else have this problem, or even better, a
>> solution to it?
>
>What version/year of Quicken?
>
>Are you looking at a view that has a "Group by" of "Accounts"?
>What do you see if you "Group by" "Security"?
>
>How did the securities that show "N/A" get in the account in
>which they are currently held? Were they purchased in that
>account? Or were they transferred into that account from
>another Quicken account?
>
>It appears to me that Quicken, probably rightly, computes
>Average Annual Return for securities held in a account ... based
>on the date the security was first held in the account ... not
>necessarily the date the security was first acquired. In other
>words: if you've only held the security in Account B for 4
>years, there is no 5 Year Average Annual Return on that security
>in that account.
>
>If you switch the Group By to "Security", Quicken makes the
>computation based strictly on the date the security was
>acquired.


By God, John, you nailed it - I switched the view to "by security" and
voila! The returns are displayed dependent on the time of purchase,
just like the individual stocks were. Problem solved!

This probably came about because last year, my bank eliminated the
previous account type I held most of my mutual funds in. I had to
migrate the holdings to a new account in Quicken - as opposed to
VFINX, which I've held in the same IRA account since purchased.

Thank you so much for your keen insight and knowledge of Quicken. This
apparent defect has annoyed me for quite a long time.

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