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Social Security Benefit Payments (Income) PatJennings 01-23-2007
Posted by Jay M Apple on January 23, 2007, 10:42 am
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> Hi, again...
>
> Not that it matters, but...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> SNIP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
>
> My birthday is the 10th of JULY.
>
> RC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That's OK, RC, as we go on in life us codg.. uh!... geez... UH!.... better,
more experienced and wiser selves often ADD to our age rather than succumb
to the vanities of frail, inexperienced youth.

Power to us!

Jay



Posted by SP on January 23, 2007, 12:45 pm
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This is the schedule they use to send out the checks.

Steve

Birth date on Benefits paid on
1st - 10th Second Wednesday
11th - 20th Third Wednesday
21st - 31st Fourth Wednesday


> Hi, Pat.
>
> Yes, it's very much "like a simple pay statement split deposit".
>
> My check is automatically deposited on the second Wednesday of each month.
> This system changed just about the time my SS benefits began in the year
> 2000. Earlier retirees got their checks on the 3rd day of each month.
> New retirees get paid on a new schedule; I don't know the "formula", but
> it somehow relates to the payee's birthdate, and mine is the 10th day of
> January. Since my wife's benefit is based on my account, her payday is
> the same as mine. For the past couple of years, Quicken has provided a
> "second Wednesday" option for scheduling the income in the Calendar, so
> that we no longer have to adjust the day each month.
>
> Note that the deduction for Medicare is not a tax, but an insurance
> premium. Medicare Part A coverage (for hospitalization) is automatic and
> not shown separately anywhere. Medicare Part B (for doctors, etc.) is
> optional and is deducted from the benefit payment. Everybody that I know
> has opted for Part B coverage. The amount has increased with inflation
> each year; for 2007, the premium is $93.50 per month for each of us; for
> 2006 it was $88.50 per month. This premium is deductible as a medical
> expense on our income tax return. See the thread JM mentions for further
> discussion of the tax effects of all this.
>
> My scheduled transaction records the deposit into my Checking Account.
> The Split records the gross amount to a Category named Social Security
> Income - RCW, and the Medicare premium deduction as a minus to Medicare
> Insurance:Medicare Part B - RCW. (My wife's checks go to similar accounts
> for her.) If I elected voluntary income tax withholding, I would add
> another split as a minus and send it to my FIT Prepaid Account. This, of
> course, is not an expense, but a prepayment of income taxes that may or
> may not be due next April.
>
> I don't recall whether these Categories were in Quicken by default or if I
> added them. I suspect that at least the benefits category was there
> because Help describes this as "Net social security benefits for taxpayer
> reported on Form SSA-1099." It obviously should be the gross benefits,
> because that's what must be reported by the taxpayer. The SSA-1099
> reports both gross and net amounts, as well as the Medicare premiums and
> income tax prepayments that have been deducted.
>
> The good news is that this has to be done just once to start, then
> adjusted in December each year to reflect the coming year's
> inflation-adjusted amounts to begin in January.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> (Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Currently running Vista Ultimate x64)
>
>
>>I am trying to help a colleague record her Social Security income and have
>>not discovered a specific "Help" topic to advise. Her payment (monthly)
>>will include deductions for Medicare tax and Estimated Federal Income Tax.
>>It sounds like a simple pay statement split deposit.
>



Posted by PSJ on January 24, 2007, 10:15 am
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> Hi, Pat.
>
> Yes, it's very much "like a simple pay statement split deposit".
>
> My check is automatically deposited on the second Wednesday of each month.
> This system changed just about the time my SS benefits began in the year
> 2000. Earlier retirees got their checks on the 3rd day of each month.
> New retirees get paid on a new schedule; I don't know the "formula", but
> it somehow relates to the payee's birthdate, and mine is the 10th day of
> January. Since my wife's benefit is based on my account, her payday is
> the same as mine. For the past couple of years, Quicken has provided a
> "second Wednesday" option for scheduling the income in the Calendar, so
> that we no longer have to adjust the day each month.
>
> Note that the deduction for Medicare is not a tax, but an insurance
> premium. Medicare Part A coverage (for hospitalization) is automatic and
> not shown separately anywhere. Medicare Part B (for doctors, etc.) is
> optional and is deducted from the benefit payment. Everybody that I know
> has opted for Part B coverage. The amount has increased with inflation
> each year; for 2007, the premium is $93.50 per month for each of us; for
> 2006 it was $88.50 per month. This premium is deductible as a medical
> expense on our income tax return. See the thread JM mentions for further
> discussion of the tax effects of all this.
>
> My scheduled transaction records the deposit into my Checking Account.
> The Split records the gross amount to a Category named Social Security
> Income - RCW, and the Medicare premium deduction as a minus to Medicare
> Insurance:Medicare Part B - RCW. (My wife's checks go to similar accounts
> for her.) If I elected voluntary income tax withholding, I would add
> another split as a minus and send it to my FIT Prepaid Account. This, of
> course, is not an expense, but a prepayment of income taxes that may or
> may not be due next April.
>
> I don't recall whether these Categories were in Quicken by default or if I
> added them. I suspect that at least the benefits category was there
> because Help describes this as "Net social security benefits for taxpayer
> reported on Form SSA-1099." It obviously should be the gross benefits,
> because that's what must be reported by the taxpayer. The SSA-1099
> reports both gross and net amounts, as well as the Medicare premiums and
> income tax prepayments that have been deducted.
>
> The good news is that this has to be done just once to start, then
> adjusted in December each year to reflect the coming year's
> Hi, Pat.
>
> Yes, it's very much "like a simple pay statement split deposit".
>
> My check is automatically deposited on the second Wednesday of each month.
> This system changed just about the time my SS benefits began in the year
> 2000. Earlier retirees got their checks on the 3rd day of each month.
> New retirees get paid on a new schedule; I don't know the "formula", but
> it somehow relates to the payee's birthdate, and mine is the 10th day of
> January. Since my wife's benefit is based on my account, her payday is
> the same as mine. For the past couple of years, Quicken has provided a
> "second Wednesday" option for scheduling the income in the Calendar, so
> that we no longer have to adjust the day each month.
>
> Note that the deduction for Medicare is not a tax, but an insurance
> premium. Medicare Part A coverage (for hospitalization) is automatic and
> not shown separately anywhere. Medicare Part B (for doctors, etc.) is
> optional and is deducted from the benefit payment. Everybody that I know
> has opted for Part B coverage. The amount has increased with inflation
> each year; for 2007, the premium is $93.50 per month for each of us; for
> 2006 it was $88.50 per month. This premium is deductible as a medical
> expense on our income tax return. See the thread JM mentions for further
> discussion of the tax effects of all this.
>
> My scheduled transaction records the deposit into my Checking Account.
> The Split records the gross amount to a Category named Social Security
> Income - RCW, and the Medicare premium deduction as a minus to Medicare
> Insurance:Medicare Part B - RCW. (My wife's checks go to similar accounts
> for her.) If I elected voluntary income tax withholding, I would add
> another split as a minus and send it to my FIT Prepaid Account. This, of
> course, is not an expense, but a prepayment of income taxes that may or
> may not be due next April.
>
> I don't recall whether these Categories were in Quicken by default or if I
> added them. I suspect that at least the benefits category was there
> because Help describes this as "Net social security benefits for taxpayer
> reported on Form SSA-1099." It obviously should be the gross benefits,
> because that's what must be reported by the taxpayer. The SSA-1099
> reports both gross and net amounts, as well as the Medicare premiums and
> income tax prepayments that have been deducted.
>
> The good news is that this has to be done just once to start, then
> adjusted in December each year to reflect the coming year's
> inflation-adjusted amounts to begin in January.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> (Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Currently running Vista Ultimate x64)
>

Along w/RC's excellent explanation -- I add a class to each split
transaction, 1 for spouse 1 for me (example /pjss or /djss). With classes
added everything imports to TurboTax w/o problems.
--
PSJ



Posted by PatJennings on January 23, 2007, 5:43 pm
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Thanks everyone, with special thanks to RC for his complete explanation.
Pat

>I am trying to help a colleague record her Social Security income and have
>not discovered a specific "Help" topic to advise. Her payment (monthly)
>will include deductions for Medicare tax and Estimated Federal Income Tax.
>It sounds like a simple pay statement split deposit.
>


Thanks everyone, with special thanks to RC for his complete explanation.
Pat

>I am trying to help a colleague record her Social Security income and have
>not discovered a specific "Help" topic to advise. Her payment (monthly)
>will include deductions for Medicare tax and Estimated Federal Income Tax.
>It sounds like a simple pay statement split deposit.
>



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