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Subscription Merrily 03-28-2008
Posted by Merrily on April 1, 2008, 12:57 pm
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 Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions and issues. I
truly appreciate your help and the help of the other person who responded.

If newsgroups do not do RSS Feeds, then why was I able to add one of the
other newsgroups on this site (Rockryno.com)as an RSS Feed. Also why do I
see the RSS Feed symbol prominently displayed next to the Group listing
for all the group here and also near this one in "My Groups."

I guess I do not understand the difference between this Rockryno.com site
and athenanews.com. I thought when I signed up for Rockryno.com I would
be signing up for access to the server through my newsreader in Windows
Live Mail. I have other free newsgroup accounts available there. I do have
have a Google account and I am signed up for this newsgroup there, but I
cannot figure out how to get that to show up in Windows Live Mail either.
Some how I'm missing some key piece of information, and I've tried to find
an answer with Google help but cannot seem to find it.

The last time I checked the Contact form displayed errors as well.

-------------------------------------
Laura wrote:

> And that is a correct response. This is a newsgroup. Newsgroups do not
> do
> RSS feeds.

> Your choices are to stick with the browser method or configure a
> newsreader
> software (outlook express/windows mail, Thunderbird, Forte Agent, to
> name a
> few) to access the newsgroup on the athenanews.com server.

>> For rss, I have tried
>> http://www.rockryno.com/quicken/1.htm
>> alt.comp.software.financial.quicken
>> http://alt.comp.software.financial.quicken.htm
>>
>> And some other variations on these themes. Each time I receive a
>> message
>> about "...is not a valid rss feed."
>>
>> -------------------------------------
>> Laura wrote:
>>
>>> Are you using Windows live mail or your browser to post these
>>> messages?
>>
>>> I would look at my second link and setup Windows Live mail
>>> with the
>>> information provided.
>>
>>> message
>>>> If I am posting using athenanews.com, I am unaware of how.
>>>> I am
>>>> using my
>>>> Rockryno.com membership. Secondly, I can use RSS feeds
>>>> with one of
>>>> the
>>>> other groups on this site, but not this one. I do not
>>>> understand.
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------
>>>> Laura wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looks like you figured how to get here. You are
>>>>> posting using
>>>>> athenanews.com. According to this page
>>>>>
>>>>> http://athenanews.com/cgi-bin/news_search.pl?query=quicken
>>>>> they carry
>>>>> this
>>>>> newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>>> This page will get you started in setting up an
>>>>> account in
>>>>> WLM:
>>>>> http://athenanews.com/members/. I don't beleive that
>>>>> the
>>>>> newsgroups are
>>>>
>>>>> available via RSS feed.
>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>> message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do I need to do to read this group in either
>>>>>> my News
>>>>>> Reader
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Windows Live Mail or as an rss feed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right now I cannot get either method to work for
>>>>>> me. I
>>>>>> briefly had
>>>>>> the rss
>>>>>> feed working but then it stopped for days. I
>>>>>> finally
>>>>>> deleted it
>>>>>> and have
>>>>>> been trying to add it again but I keep getting a
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> that it
>>>>>> is "not a
>>>>>> valid feed."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few years ago I participated in this news group
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>> membership to
>>>>>> many news groups through my ISP. My current ISP
>>>>>> does not
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> news group
>>>>>> offering. I miss this news group. I understand
>>>>>> that I can
>>>>>> read it
>>>>>> Online
>>>>>> on the Web now but I prefer being able to check
>>>>>> the topics
>>>>>> offline
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> mark some as watched, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also cannot seem to use the contact form,
>>>>>> although I do
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> Java
>>>>>> running. I am using Mozilla Firefox most of the
>>>>>> time, but
>>>>>> I did
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> Internet Explorer with this site, too. Still
>>>>>> didn't work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Merrily
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ##-----------------------------------------------##
>>>>>> Newsgroup Access Courtesy http://www.rockryno.com/
>>>>>> Tax and Accounting Software Forums
>>>>>> Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
>>>>>> alt.comp.software.financial.quicken - 12887
>>>>>> messages and
>>>>>> counting!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ##-----------------------------------------------##
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ##-----------------------------------------------##
>>>> Newsgroup Access Courtesy http://www.rockryno.com/
>>>> Tax and Accounting Software Forums
>>>> Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
>>>> alt.comp.software.financial.quicken - 12926 messages and
>>>> counting!
>>>> ##-----------------------------------------------##
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.rockryno.com/quicken/1.htm
>>
>>
>> ##-----------------------------------------------##
>> Newsgroup Access Courtesy http://www.rockryno.com/
>> Tax and Accounting Software Forums
>> Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
>> alt.comp.software.financial.quicken - 12947 messages and counting!
>> ##-----------------------------------------------##






##-----------------------------------------------##
Newsgroup Access Courtesy http://www.rockryno.com/
Tax and Accounting Software Forums
Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
alt.comp.software.financial.quicken - 12970 messages and counting!
##-----------------------------------------------##

Posted by Laura on April 1, 2008, 1:23 pm
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 Normally newsgroups are carried by news servers. It has only been within the
past few years that accessing newsgroups via web pages has become popular.
Google Groups (formerly known as DejaNews) started it years ago. RSS feeds
into windows mail is trying to replicate using a news server. One drawback
with RSS feeds is that they are read only. If you want to post you have to
go back to google groups or through a real news server. Some how
Rockryno.com is accessing the athena news server when you post. (I can tell
from your headers).

If you would like to access this news group through windows mail then you
need to configure WLM to access the athena news server directly. Go to this
page that I posted the other day: http://athenanews.com/members/. You will
need a userid and password from athena to complete the setup.

> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions and issues. I
> truly appreciate your help and the help of the other person who responded.
>
> If newsgroups do not do RSS Feeds, then why was I able to add one of the
> other newsgroups on this site (Rockryno.com)as an RSS Feed. Also why do I
> see the RSS Feed symbol prominently displayed next to the Group listing
> for all the group here and also near this one in "My Groups."
>
> I guess I do not understand the difference between this Rockryno.com site
> and athenanews.com. I thought when I signed up for Rockryno.com I would
> be signing up for access to the server through my newsreader in Windows
> Live Mail. I have other free newsgroup accounts available there. I do have
> have a Google account and I am signed up for this newsgroup there, but I
> cannot figure out how to get that to show up in Windows Live Mail either.
> Some how I'm missing some key piece of information, and I've tried to find
> an answer with Google help but cannot seem to find it.
>
> The last time I checked the Contact form displayed errors as well.
>
> -------------------------------------
> Laura wrote:
>
>> And that is a correct response. This is a newsgroup. Newsgroups do not
>> do
>> RSS feeds.
>
>> Your choices are to stick with the browser method or configure a
>> newsreader
>> software (outlook express/windows mail, Thunderbird, Forte Agent, to
>> name a
>> few) to access the newsgroup on the athenanews.com server.
>
>>> For rss, I have tried
>>> http://www.rockryno.com/quicken/1.htm
>>> alt.comp.software.financial.quicken
>>> http://alt.comp.software.financial.quicken.htm
>>>
>>> And some other variations on these themes. Each time I receive a
>>> message
>>> about "...is not a valid rss feed."
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------
>>> Laura wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you using Windows live mail or your browser to post these
>>>> messages?
>>>
>>>> I would look at my second link and setup Windows Live mail
>>>> with the
>>>> information provided.
>>>
>>>> message
>>>>> If I am posting using athenanews.com, I am unaware of how.
>>>>> I am
>>>>> using my
>>>>> Rockryno.com membership. Secondly, I can use RSS feeds
>>>>> with one of
>>>>> the
>>>>> other groups on this site, but not this one. I do not
>>>>> understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------
>>>>> Laura wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like you figured how to get here. You are
>>>>>> posting using
>>>>>> athenanews.com. According to this page
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://athenanews.com/cgi-bin/news_search.pl?query=quicken
>>>>>> they carry
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>>> This page will get you started in setting up an
>>>>>> account in
>>>>>> WLM:
>>>>>> http://athenanews.com/members/. I don't beleive that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> newsgroups are
>>>>>
>>>>>> available via RSS feed.
>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do I need to do to read this group in either
>>>>>>> my News
>>>>>>> Reader
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Windows Live Mail or as an rss feed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right now I cannot get either method to work for
>>>>>>> me. I
>>>>>>> briefly had
>>>>>>> the rss
>>>>>>> feed working but then it stopped for days. I
>>>>>>> finally
>>>>>>> deleted it
>>>>>>> and have
>>>>>>> been trying to add it again but I keep getting a
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>> is "not a
>>>>>>> valid feed."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A few years ago I participated in this news group
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>> membership to
>>>>>>> many news groups through my ISP. My current ISP
>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> news group
>>>>>>> offering. I miss this news group. I understand
>>>>>>> that I can
>>>>>>> read it
>>>>>>> Online
>>>>>>> on the Web now but I prefer being able to check
>>>>>>> the topics
>>>>>>> offline
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> mark some as watched, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also cannot seem to use the contact form,
>>>>>>> although I do
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> Java
>>>>>>> running. I am using Mozilla Firefox most of the
>>>>>>> time, but
>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>> Internet Explorer with this site, too. Still
>>>>>>> didn't work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Merrily
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ##-----------------------------------------------##
>>>>>>> Newsgroup Access Courtesy http://www.rockryno.com/
>>>>>>> Tax and Accounting Software Forums
>>>>>>> Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
>>>>>>> alt.comp.software.financial.quicken - 12887
>>>>>>> messages and
>>>>>>> counting!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ##-----------------------------------------------##
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ##-----------------------------------------------##
>>>>> Newsgroup Access Courtesy http://www.rockryno.com/
>>>>> Tax and Accounting Software Forums
>>>>> Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
>>>>> alt.comp.software.financial.quicken - 12926 messages and
>>>>> counting!
>>>>> ##-----------------------------------------------##
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.rockryno.com/quicken/1.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> ##-----------------------------------------------##
>>> Newsgroup Access Courtesy http://www.rockryno.com/
>>> Tax and Accounting Software Forums
>>> Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
>>> alt.comp.software.financial.quicken - 12947 messages and counting!
>>> ##-----------------------------------------------##
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ##-----------------------------------------------##
> Newsgroup Access Courtesy http://www.rockryno.com/
> Tax and Accounting Software Forums
> Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
> alt.comp.software.financial.quicken - 12970 messages and counting!
> ##-----------------------------------------------##


Posted by Leonard Agoado on April 1, 2008, 3:08 pm
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> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions and
> issues. I
> truly appreciate your help and the help of the other person who
> responded.
>
> If newsgroups do not do RSS Feeds, then why was I able to add
> one of the
> other newsgroups on this site (Rockryno.com)as an RSS Feed.
> Also why do I
> see the RSS Feed symbol prominently displayed next to the Group
> listing
> for all the group here and also near this one in "My Groups."



Merrily,

Newsgroups are part of Usenet, and are hosted on various
servers that propagate postings among themselves. Various sites
may provide access to these newsgroups through their own
front-end web based portals, but these are of their own design,
and not part of the Usenet newsgroup structure. Newsreaders
access a news server directly to download desired headers and
content from groups of interest hosted on their provider's
servers.

See --

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part1/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

http://www.livinginternet.com/u/u.htm


Len Agoado
agoado@msn.com








Posted by Han on April 1, 2008, 8:24 pm
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4sO8FW_anZ2dnUVZ_q-jnZ2d@giganews.com:

> See --
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part1/
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
>
> http://www.livinginternet.com/u/u.htm
>
and the newsgroup
news.software.readers

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Posted by R. C. White on April 1, 2008, 5:52 pm
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Hi, Merrily.

And, to add to what Laura and Leonard said...

Outlook Express has been bundled into every copy of Windows for at least a
decade; Windows Mail is the updated version in every copy of Vista. (OE
won't run on Vista; WM won't run on anything else.) Most of us who have
tried the newer Windows Live Mail like it better than either OE or WM - and
it will run on both WinXP and Vista. In fact, we can run WLM side-by-side
with OE or WM, although I don't see why anyone would after a brief
transition period.

OE/WM/WLM all include a newsreader, which I much prefer to the web-based
(browser) interface for reading newsgroups.

In addition to the thousands of free news servers that offer more than
100,000 newsgroups (last time I checked was years ago), Microsoft hosts over
2,000 NGs for peer-to-peer support of MS products on its public news server
(msnews.microsoft.com), which is free and does not require you to log on.
Many of the other news servers (also known by several other names, such as
Forums or Discussion Groups) "slurp" messages from the host servers and
relay them - and any responses - to and from their own subscribers (often
without disclosing their Microsoft source).

WLM includes access to RSS feeds, but I've not yet learned much about blogs
and RSS feeds so I don't know how those relate to newsgroups.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Currently running Quicken 2008 Deluxe in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions and issues. I
> truly appreciate your help and the help of the other person who responded.
>
> If newsgroups do not do RSS Feeds, then why was I able to add one of the
> other newsgroups on this site (Rockryno.com)as an RSS Feed. Also why do I
> see the RSS Feed symbol prominently displayed next to the Group listing
> for all the group here and also near this one in "My Groups."
>
> I guess I do not understand the difference between this Rockryno.com site
> and athenanews.com. I thought when I signed up for Rockryno.com I would
> be signing up for access to the server through my newsreader in Windows
> Live Mail. I have other free newsgroup accounts available there. I do have
> have a Google account and I am signed up for this newsgroup there, but I
> cannot figure out how to get that to show up in Windows Live Mail either.
> Some how I'm missing some key piece of information, and I've tried to find
> an answer with Google help but cannot seem to find it.
>
> The last time I checked the Contact form displayed errors as well.
>
> -------------------------------------
> Laura wrote:
>
>> And that is a correct response. This is a newsgroup. Newsgroups do not
>> do
>> RSS feeds.
>
>> Your choices are to stick with the browser method or configure a
>> newsreader
>> software (outlook express/windows mail, Thunderbird, Forte Agent, to
>> name a
>> few) to access the newsgroup on the athenanews.com server.
>
>>> For rss, I have tried
>>> http://www.rockryno.com/quicken/1.htm
>>> alt.comp.software.financial.quicken
>>> http://alt.comp.software.financial.quicken.htm
>>>
>>> And some other variations on these themes. Each time I receive a
>>> message
>>> about "...is not a valid rss feed."
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------
>>> Laura wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you using Windows live mail or your browser to post these
>>>> messages?
>>>
>>>> I would look at my second link and setup Windows Live mail
>>>> with the
>>>> information provided.
>>>
>>>> message
>>>>> If I am posting using athenanews.com, I am unaware of how.
>>>>> I am
>>>>> using my
>>>>> Rockryno.com membership. Secondly, I can use RSS feeds
>>>>> with one of
>>>>> the
>>>>> other groups on this site, but not this one. I do not
>>>>> understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------
>>>>> Laura wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like you figured how to get here. You are
>>>>>> posting using
>>>>>> athenanews.com. According to this page
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://athenanews.com/cgi-bin/news_search.pl?query=quicken
>>>>>> they carry
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>>> This page will get you started in setting up an
>>>>>> account in
>>>>>> WLM:
>>>>>> http://athenanews.com/members/. I don't beleive that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> newsgroups are
>>>>>
>>>>>> available via RSS feed.
>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do I need to do to read this group in either
>>>>>>> my News
>>>>>>> Reader
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Windows Live Mail or as an rss feed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right now I cannot get either method to work for
>>>>>>> me. I
>>>>>>> briefly had
>>>>>>> the rss
>>>>>>> feed working but then it stopped for days. I
>>>>>>> finally
>>>>>>> deleted it
>>>>>>> and have
>>>>>>> been trying to add it again but I keep getting a
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>> is "not a
>>>>>>> valid feed."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A few years ago I participated in this news group
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>> membership to
>>>>>>> many news groups through my ISP. My current ISP
>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> news group
>>>>>>> offering. I miss this news group. I understand
>>>>>>> that I can
>>>>>>> read it
>>>>>>> Online
>>>>>>> on the Web now but I prefer being able to check
>>>>>>> the topics
>>>>>>> offline
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> mark some as watched, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also cannot seem to use the contact form,
>>>>>>> although I do
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> Java
>>>>>>> running. I am using Mozilla Firefox most of the
>>>>>>> time, but
>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>> Internet Explorer with this site, too. Still
>>>>>>> didn't work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Merrily
>>>>>>>

>
> ##-----------------------------------------------##
> Newsgroup Access Courtesy http://www.rockryno.com/
> Tax and Accounting Software Forums
> Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup -
> alt.comp.software.financial.quicken - 12970 messages and counting!
> ##-----------------------------------------------##



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