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Trimming down my Quicken data files Jeff 06-04-2007
Posted by Jeff on June 4, 2007, 4:27 pm
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Running Quicken Deluxe 2006 in Windows XP.

My Quicken data files are getting large enough that they are causing a
significant slowdown in Quicken's operations whenever it need to accept
a downloaded transaction on my poor PC. It does not help that I keep my
Quicken data files in an encrypted folder on my PC which probably adds
time to the processing.

So I would like to reduce the size of my Q files to speed up operations.
I have data that goes back many years and I would like to archive some
of these years with the ability to access them again - on the rare
chance I would need them again. How do I go about doing that?

BTW, what are the QEL and QPH files which alone measure over 10 and 7 MB
respectively in addition to the main data file of 35 MB?

Thanks.

Jeff



Posted by R. C. White on June 5, 2007, 10:14 am
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Hi, Jeff.

> So I would like to reduce the size of my Q files to speed up operations.

You may not yet have read the MANY messages here that discuss the size of
our Quicken files and ask "how big is too big?" Our near-unanimous
conclusion is that big files do not slow Quicken down noticeably, and the
ability to instantly recall years-old data far outweighs any benefits that
might be gained from removing old transactions from the file.

You haven't told us how big is "large enough" to cause a slowdown on your
"poor PC", which you also haven't described for us. For reference, I've
been running Quicken since 1990 and now run Quicken 2007 Basic on Vista
Ultimate x64 with 2 GB of RAM and over 600 GB of storage on 4 SATA hard
drives. (My system has evolved over the decades; it wasn't this strong
until last December.) My *.qdf file is 25 MB, .qel is only 48 KB (I don't
download transactions), .qph is nearly 3 MB (that's the historical price
file for about 30 securities), and my .qtx file (for income tax stuff) is
4,276 bytes and hasn't changed since 2004, which was probably the last time
I tried to use the tax planner. My total fileset (what Quicken refers to
collectively as a single file) is just about 30 MB. It's not quite as large
as your fileset, but response is as quick - much quicker, in fact - than
back in the Windows 98 days, when files were smaller and hardware was
slower.

My recommendation is to be sure that you have a good BACKUP strategy,
including plenty of hard drive and other storage space, then just let the
fileset grow. Then if you need to remember where you bought that humongous
24" TV set back in the early '90s, just scroll back in your check register.
You don't have to go searching FOR, and then loading, and then searching IN
the 1993 file, then 1992, or was it 1991? ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Currently running Vista Ultimate x64)

> Running Quicken Deluxe 2006 in Windows XP.
>
> My Quicken data files are getting large enough that they are causing a
> significant slowdown in Quicken's operations whenever it need to accept a
> downloaded transaction on my poor PC. It does not help that I keep my
> Quicken data files in an encrypted folder on my PC which probably adds
> time to the processing.
>
> So I would like to reduce the size of my Q files to speed up operations. I
> have data that goes back many years and I would like to archive some of
> these years with the ability to access them again - on the rare 276
> chance I would need them again. How do I go about doing that?
>
> BTW, what are the QEL and QPH files which alone measure over 10 and 7 MB
> respectively in addition to the main data file of 35 MB?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeff


Posted by Jeff on June 5, 2007, 10:49 am
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Hi RC

> You haven't told us how big is "large enough" to cause a slowdown on
> your "poor PC", which you also haven't described for us.

There is only so much info one should let loose on the web.

My *.qdf file is over 30 MB large. The other sizes have already given
out. My PC is a Toshiba notebook with a Intel duo CPU T2050 running at
1.6GHz and 2 G ram running Windows XP MCE.

I do realize the advantages of having everything on one file, but in my
case and on my PC - which is not as fast as yours - there has become a
noticeable slowdown affecting my handling of downloads - something you
may not have noticed because you do not use downloads. I too do not use
the Quicken Tax planner.

It is not the Quicken opening file speed or the download speed that is
too slow - although that is certainly not lightening fast. In my case,
it is whenever I have to "accept" each individual downloaded transaction
that is the main problem. When you accept a downloaded transaction,
Quicken goes through the files checking where that equity was purchased
or sold, how many are left or whatever - and the hourglass stays on
while the hard drive light churns away till it finally lets me finally
go on to the next downloaded transaction waiting for me to accept. This
is what has begun taking much longer lately because there are so many
accumulated thousands upon thousands of transactions for Q to sift
through and compare.

Incidentally I have several separate investment accounts and in some
there is much more investment transaction activities that others. I
know - for a fact - that these busy accounts take much longer to even
open than my more calm investment accounts. In some of my busy ones it
can take as long as 2 minutes (!) as opposed to a few seconds on the
less busy ones. So, after a point, size does matter. Any database
manager would tell you that stating the reverse is just illogical. And
adds to the risk of corruption which is further aggravated in my case
because I use an encrypted drive which is why I have frequent backups to
external drives.

So, in my case, because I have numerous transactions and accounts, it
takes me "hours" (couple of days) to go through my monthly transaction
downloads each month - much longer than I recall it using to take when
these files were smaller.

So my questions are:
1. "How" does one archive only from a certain date (say 5 years) in the
past?
2. How easily are these archives accessed, if ever necessary?
3. Do they have to be re-imported into the current file?
4. Any specific problems (other than loss of access to data on that TV
you purchased 12 years ago) caused by eliminating transactions prior to
a certain date.

Thanks.

Jeff

R. C. White wrote:
> Hi, Jeff.
>
>> So I would like to reduce the size of my Q files to speed up
>> operations.
>
> You may not yet have read the MANY messages here that discuss the
> size of our Quicken files and ask "how big is too big?" Our
> near-unanimous conclusion is that big files do not slow Quicken down
> noticeably, and the ability to instantly recall years-old data far
> outweighs any benefits that might be gained from removing old
> transactions from the file.
> You haven't told us how big is "large enough" to cause a slowdown on
> your "poor PC", which you also haven't described for us. For
> reference, I've been running Quicken since 1990 and now run Quicken
> 2007 Basic on Vista Ultimate x64 with 2 GB of RAM and over 600 GB of
> storage on 4 SATA hard drives. (My system has evolved over the
> decades; it wasn't this strong until last December.) My *.qdf file
> is 25 MB, .qel is only 48 KB (I don't download transactions), .qph is
> nearly 3 MB (that's the historical price file for about 30
> securities), and my .qtx file (for income tax stuff) is 4,276 bytes
> and hasn't changed since 2004, which was probably the last time I
> tried to use the tax planner. My total fileset (what Quicken refers
> to collectively as a single file) is just about 30 MB. It's not
> quite as large as your fileset, but response is as quick - much
> quicker, in fact - than back in the Windows 98 days, when files were
> smaller and hardware was slower.
> My recommendation is to be sure that you have a good BACKUP strategy,
> including plenty of hard drive and other storage space, then just let
> the fileset grow. Then if you need to remember where you bought that
> humongous 24" TV set back in the early '90s, just scroll back in your
> check register. You don't have to go searching FOR, and then loading,
> and then searching IN the 1993 file, then 1992, or was it 1991? ;<)
>
> RC
>
>> Running Quicken Deluxe 2006 in Windows XP.
>>
>> My Quicken data files are getting large enough that they are causing
>> a significant slowdown in Quicken's operations whenever it need to
>> accept a downloaded transaction on my poor PC. It does not help
>> that I keep my Quicken data files in an encrypted folder on my PC
>> which probably adds time to the processing.
>>
>> So I would like to reduce the size of my Q files to speed up
>> operations. I have data that goes back many years and I would like
>> to archive some of these years with the ability to access them again
>> - on the rare 276 chance I would need them again. How do I go about
>> doing that? BTW, what are the QEL and QPH files which alone measure
>> over 10 and
>> 7 MB respectively in addition to the main data file of 35 MB?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jeff



Posted by R. C. White on June 5, 2007, 10:48 am
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Hi, Jeff.

Sorry about the "you haven't told us" crack. I reread your message after
typing that, but forgot to delete it. :^{

Thanks for the fuller explanation of your slowdown. I understand your
concern now. But I probably can't help with it, so I'll step back and let
John Pollard and others with downloading experience give you some tips.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Currently running Vista Ultimate x64)

> Hi RC
>
>> You haven't told us how big is "large enough" to cause a slowdown on
>> your "poor PC", which you also haven't described for us.
>
> There is only so much info one should let loose on the web.
>
> My *.qdf file is over 30 MB large. The other sizes have already given
> out. My PC is a Toshiba notebook with a Intel duo CPU T2050 running at
> 1.6GHz and 2 G ram running Windows XP MCE.
>
> I do realize the advantages of having everything on one file, but in my
> case and on my PC - which is not as fast as yours - there has become a
> noticeable slowdown affecting my handling of downloads - something you may
> not have noticed because you do not use downloads. I too do not use the
> Quicken Tax planner.
>
> It is not the Quicken opening file speed or the download speed that is too
> slow - although that is certainly not lightening fast. In my case, it is
> whenever I have to "accept" each individual downloaded transaction that is
> the main problem. When you accept a downloaded transaction, Quicken goes
> through the files checking where that equity was purchased or sold, how
> many are left or whatever - and the hourglass stays on while the hard
> drive light churns away till it finally lets me finally go on to the next
> downloaded transaction waiting for me to accept. This is what has begun
> taking much longer lately because there are so many accumulated thousands
> upon thousands of transactions for Q to sift through and compare.
>
> Incidentally I have several separate investment accounts and in some there
> is much more investment transaction activities that others. I know - for
> a fact - that these busy accounts take much longer to even open than my
> more calm investment accounts. In some of my busy ones it can take as long
> as 2 minutes (!) as opposed to a few seconds on the less busy ones. So,
> after a point, size does matter. Any database manager would tell you that
> stating the reverse is just illogical. And adds to the risk of corruption
> which is further aggravated in my case because I use an encrypted drive
> which is why I have frequent backups to external drives.
>
> So, in my case, because I have numerous transactions and accounts, it
> takes me "hours" (couple of days) to go through my monthly transaction
> downloads each month - much longer than I recall it using to take when
> these files were smaller.
>
> So my questions are:
> 1. "How" does one archive only from a certain date (say 5 years) in the
> past?
> 2. How easily are these archives accessed, if ever necessary?
> 3. Do they have to be re-imported into the current file?
> 4. Any specific problems (other than loss of access to data on that TV you
> purchased 12 years ago) caused by eliminating transactions prior to a
> certain date.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeff
>
> R. C. White wrote:
>> Hi, Jeff.
>>
>>> So I would like to reduce the size of my Q files to speed up
>>> operations.
>>
>> You may not yet have read the MANY messages here that discuss the
>> size of our Quicken files and ask "how big is too big?" Our
>> near-unanimous conclusion is that big files do not slow Quicken down
>> noticeably, and the ability to instantly recall years-old data far
>> outweighs any benefits that might be gained from removing old
>> transactions from the file.
>> You haven't told us how big is "large enough" to cause a slowdown on
>> your "poor PC", which you also haven't described for us. For
>> reference, I've been running Quicken since 1990 and now run Quicken
>> 2007 Basic on Vista Ultimate x64 with 2 GB of RAM and over 600 GB of
>> storage on 4 SATA hard drives. (My system has evolved over the
>> decades; it wasn't this strong until last December.) My *.qdf file
>> is 25 MB, .qel is only 48 KB (I don't download transactions), .qph is
>> nearly 3 MB (that's the historical price file for about 30
>> securities), and my .qtx file (for income tax stuff) is 4,276 bytes
>> and hasn't changed since 2004, which was probably the last time I
>> tried to use the tax planner. My total fileset (what Quicken refers
>> to collectively as a single file) is just about 30 MB. It's not
>> quite as large as your fileset, but response is as quick - much
>> quicker, in fact - than back in the Windows 98 days, when files were
>> smaller and hardware was slower.
>> My recommendation is to be sure that you have a good BACKUP strategy,
>> including plenty of hard drive and other storage space, then just let
>> the fileset grow. Then if you need to remember where you bought that
>> humongous 24" TV set back in the early '90s, just scroll back in your
>> check register. You don't have to go searching FOR, and then loading,
>> and then searching IN the 1993 file, then 1992, or was it 1991? ;<)
>>
>> RC
>>
>>> Running Quicken Deluxe 2006 in Windows XP.
>>>
>>> My Quicken data files are getting large enough that they are causing
>>> a significant slowdown in Quicken's operations whenever it need to
>>> accept a downloaded transaction on my poor PC. It does not help
>>> that I keep my Quicken data files in an encrypted folder on my PC
>>> which probably adds time to the processing.
>>>
>>> So I would like to reduce the size of my Q files to speed up
>>> operations. I have data that goes back many years and I would like
>>> to archive some of these years with the ability to access them again
>>> - on the rare 276 chance I would need them again. How do I go about
>>> doing that? BTW, what are the QEL and QPH files which alone measure over
>>> 10 and
>>> 7 MB respectively in addition to the main data file of 35 MB?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jeff


Posted by Jeff on June 5, 2007, 2:55 pm
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No problem, I know we are all just trying to help each other and I
appreciate that. Absolutely no offense taken.

Since I first started using Quicken I have never done a year end
procedure (whatever that entails) because - as you've mentioned - the
advice on this newsgroup is to not bother with it. Now it is presenting
a practical problem of Quicken taking very long to process accepting
each individual downloaded sale transaction I tell it to accept. Not a
theoretical problem but a practical and real one of time involved.
Because I have never reduced the Q file sizes I have no experience and
am not sure what the recommended procedure for reducing file size is:
archiving, year-end procedure, or whatever and how irreversible (loss of
access) these procedures are.

Thanks for your help.

Jeff

R. C. White wrote:
> Hi, Jeff.
>
> Sorry about the "you haven't told us" crack. I reread your message
> after typing that, but forgot to delete it. :^{
>
> Thanks for the fuller explanation of your slowdown. I understand your
> concern now. But I probably can't help with it, so I'll step back
> and let John Pollard and others with downloading experience give you
> some tips.
> RC
>
>> Hi RC
>>
>>> You haven't told us how big is "large enough" to cause a slowdown on
>>> your "poor PC", which you also haven't described for us.
>>
>> There is only so much info one should let loose on the web.
>>
>> My *.qdf file is over 30 MB large. The other sizes have already
>> given out. My PC is a Toshiba notebook with a Intel duo CPU T2050
>> running at 1.6GHz and 2 G ram running Windows XP MCE.
>>
>> I do realize the advantages of having everything on one file, but in
>> my case and on my PC - which is not as fast as yours - there has
>> become a noticeable slowdown affecting my handling of downloads -
>> something you may not have noticed because you do not use downloads.
>> I too do not use the Quicken Tax planner.
>>
>> It is not the Quicken opening file speed or the download speed that
>> is too slow - although that is certainly not lightening fast. In my
>> case, it is whenever I have to "accept" each individual downloaded
>> transaction that is the main problem. When you accept a downloaded
>> transaction, Quicken goes through the files checking where that
>> equity was purchased or sold, how many are left or whatever - and
>> the hourglass stays on while the hard drive light churns away till
>> it finally lets me finally go on to the next downloaded transaction
>> waiting for me to accept. This is what has begun taking much longer
>> lately because there are so many accumulated thousands upon
>> thousands of transactions for Q to sift through and compare.
>> Incidentally I have several separate investment accounts and in some
>> there is much more investment transaction activities that others. I
>> know - for a fact - that these busy accounts take much longer to
>> even open than my more calm investment accounts. In some of my busy
>> ones it can take as long as 2 minutes (!) as opposed to a few
>> seconds on the less busy ones. So, after a point, size does matter.
>> Any database manager would tell you that stating the reverse is just
>> illogical. And adds to the risk of corruption which is further
>> aggravated in my case because I use an encrypted drive which is why
>> I have frequent backups to external drives. So, in my case, because I
>> have numerous transactions and accounts, it
>> takes me "hours" (couple of days) to go through my monthly
>> transaction downloads each month - much longer than I recall it
>> using to take when these files were smaller.
>>
>> So my questions are:
>> 1. "How" does one archive only from a certain date (say 5 years) in
>> the past?
>> 2. How easily are these archives accessed, if ever necessary?
>> 3. Do they have to be re-imported into the current file?
>> 4. Any specific problems (other than loss of access to data on that
>> TV you purchased 12 years ago) caused by eliminating transactions
>> prior to a certain date.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> R. C. White wrote:
>>> Hi, Jeff.
>>>
>>>> So I would like to reduce the size of my Q files to speed up
>>>> operations.
>>>
>>> You may not yet have read the MANY messages here that discuss the
>>> size of our Quicken files and ask "how big is too big?" Our
>>> near-unanimous conclusion is that big files do not slow Quicken down
>>> noticeably, and the ability to instantly recall years-old data far
>>> outweighs any benefits that might be gained from removing old
>>> transactions from the file.
>>> You haven't told us how big is "large enough" to cause a slowdown on
>>> your "poor PC", which you also haven't described for us. For
>>> reference, I've been running Quicken since 1990 and now run Quicken
>>> 2007 Basic on Vista Ultimate x64 with 2 GB of RAM and over 600 GB of
>>> storage on 4 SATA hard drives. (My system has evolved over the
>>> decades; it wasn't this strong until last December.) My *.qdf file
>>> is 25 MB, .qel is only 48 KB (I don't download transactions), .qph
>>> is nearly 3 MB (that's the historical price file for about 30
>>> securities), and my .qtx file (for income tax stuff) is 4,276 bytes
>>> and hasn't changed since 2004, which was probably the last time I
>>> tried to use the tax planner. My total fileset (what Quicken refers
>>> to collectively as a single file) is just about 30 MB. It's not
>>> quite as large as your fileset, but response is as quick - much
>>> quicker, in fact - than back in the Windows 98 days, when files were
>>> smaller and hardware was slower.
>>> My recommendation is to be sure that you have a good BACKUP
>>> strategy, including plenty of hard drive and other storage space,
>>> then just let the fileset grow. Then if you need to remember where
>>> you bought that humongous 24" TV set back in the early '90s, just
>>> scroll back in your check register. You don't have to go searching
>>> FOR, and then loading, and then searching IN the 1993 file, then
>>> 1992, or was it 1991? ;<) RC
>>>
>>>> Running Quicken Deluxe 2006 in Windows XP.
>>>>
>>>> My Quicken data files are getting large enough that they are
>>>> causing a significant slowdown in Quicken's operations whenever it
>>>> need to
>>>> accept a downloaded transaction on my poor PC. It does not help
>>>> that I keep my Quicken data files in an encrypted folder on my PC
>>>> which probably adds time to the processing.
>>>>
>>>> So I would like to reduce the size of my Q files to speed up
>>>> operations. I have data that goes back many years and I would like
>>>> to archive some of these years with the ability to access them
>>>> again - on the rare 276 chance I would need them again. How do I
>>>> go about doing that? BTW, what are the QEL and QPH files which
>>>> alone measure over 10 and
>>>> 7 MB respectively in addition to the main data file of 35 MB?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff



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