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Turbo Tax Deluxe 2008 az willie 02-08-2008
Posted by Oilcan on February 9, 2008, 1:52 am
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Yes I have had the same experience. Long Term verses Short Term gains from
the sale of Mutual Funds all lumped together. It needs to be split on
Schedule D, but no way is there a 1 to 1 match. You need to attach an
explanation to your tax return and it MAY reduce the chances of getting an
IRS inquire - like Duck and I have had.

The end result is whatever you place on your Schedule D needs to tie back to
1099 B - if it is not clear - explain it and why.

(I use Tax Cut and while I have no 1099-B, I am certain I would have the
same problem).

Oilcan
>
>>
>>> az willie wrote:
>>>> Every year TT has had me enter info from my broker's 1099-B form.
>>>>
>>>> This year I could not find a place to enter that data.
>>>>
>>>> I emailed and they said I would get an email within a few minutes
>>>> .... didn't happen.
>>>>
>>>> So today I called and, although they said it was a 60 minute wait,
>>>> they answered in less than 10 minutes...not too bad .... so far so
>>>> good.
>>>>
>>>> Girl tried to be helpful, but seemed to lack the mental horsepower to
>>>> understand the situtation. Finally she seemed to understand and
>>>> although she looked through both TT Deluxe forms and TT Premier forms
>>>> she couldn't find a 1099-B either.
>>>>
>>>> Finally she got a supervisor who claimed that it was no longer
>>>> required to enter the data from the broker's 1099-B.
>>>>
>>>> I find this hard to believe because in the past the program always
>>>> compared the amount on the brokers 1099-B to the amount on the
>>>> Schedule D and they had to match.
>>>>
>>>> The broker doesn't spend the money to send the form to me and the
>>>> government for nothing.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure, if my return was picked to be checked, they would compare
>>>> the 1099-B the broker filed against what my schedule D shows.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know if it is true and it is no longer necessary to enter the
>>>> broker's 1099-B info?
>>>>
>>>> If not, does anyone know where to find the 1099-B form, in either
>>>> Deluxe or Premier?
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to buy Premier if I don't have to ... but will if the
>>>> form is there.
>>>>
>>>> I have a feeling the missing 1099-B form is a serious bug.
>>>
>>> I have Deluxe, and of course you have to enter the data from your
>>> 1099-B! Did you answer the original question "Did you sell mutual
>>> funds or stocks during the year"? Possible if you didn't check YES,
>>> the interview process skips this. Also, simply go to the box SEARCH
>>> TOPICS OR FORMS and you'll see it listed in the drop down panel.
>>>
>>
>> ===============
>> Yes I do see it there, and when I click on it it takes me to the Schedule
>> D where you enter all your transactions. It does NOT take me to a form to
>> enter the brokers name and federal id # and proceeds from all sales which
>> is the figure it used to use to compare to the total on the schedule D.
>>
>> When I go to the forms tab and select open form I get a list of forms and
>> 1099-B is not on the list.
>>
>> Entering the proceeds shown on the 1099-B on the Schedule D would be
>> wrong wrong wrong wrong. That would just double the total proceeds ins
>> tead of comparing the two figures.
>>
>> I imported all my stock transactions into my Schedule D when I started
>> the process. I chose to Select Specific Topics when I started the return
>> rather than endure the unending questions about stuff that has no
>> relevance to my return at all. After several years of using TT I have a
>> pretty good idea what I have to do.
>>
>> Perhaps if I started another return and went through the agony of all
>> that crap it would present me the form but I doubt it because according
>> to the list of forms there is no 1099-B in there.
>>
>> The girl at TT didn't find the 1099-B form listed in either Deluxe or
>> Premier editions and, after about an hour of her trying to figure out
>> where to enter the info she finally gave up and got a supervisor who told
>> her it was no longer required to enter the 1099-B info.
>>
>> Which I think is a crock of (*it.
>>
>> Maybe I will call the IRS next week and see if I can get through the
>> phone gauntlet and get a live human being who can maybe tell me if the
>> supervisor is right or not. Hell, I'm retired I got nothing else to do
>> but fight the phone all week trying to get through the maze :)
>
> You MUST enter your 1099-B info which is nothing more than a record of
> your of the stocks, bonds, mutual funds, etc that you sold.
>
> Another caveat, make sure you enter the dates and lot sizes EXACTLY as
> shown on the 1099-B. Two years ago I received a bill from the IRS for
> over $40K. The reason was that when they compared the broker data and the
> data on my return, they didn't match. To minimize entries I lumped some
> lots from a single sale together therefore causing the data to not match.
> The sum total of the stuff I entered was correct but it didn't jive with
> the way the broker reported to the IRS.
>
> Gave me a sweat for a while and long explanation to the IRS. All was
> finally accepted when I entered the data to match "exactly" the way the
> brokers reported to the IRS.
>


Posted by scott s. on February 9, 2008, 11:35 pm
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> Yes I have had the same experience. Long Term verses Short Term gains
> from the sale of Mutual Funds all lumped together. It needs to be
> split on Schedule D, but no way is there a 1 to 1 match. You need to
> attach an explanation to your tax return and it MAY reduce the chances
> of getting an IRS inquire - like Duck and I have had.
>
> The end result is whatever you place on your Schedule D needs to tie
> back to 1099 B - if it is not clear - explain it and why.
>
> (I use Tax Cut and while I have no 1099-B, I am certain I would have
> the same problem).


I compared last years TTax to this years. The interview for entering
the sale of an investment is essentially identical in both. Both ask
for the description from Box 7, the net proceeds from Box 2, and the
date of sale from Box 1a. There is a checkbox option for fed tax
witheld, which I did not follow, but assume it asks for the info in
Box 4. There's no way nor requirement that I am aware of to report
CUSIP, Broker name, account number, etc to IRS on Sked D or any other
Form.

For 2006, the info entered in the interview is transferred to the
"Capital Gains and Losses Smart Worksheet". This becomes the input
to sked D. Also, any imported capital gains from Quicken are sent
directly to this "smart worksheet". I don't have earlier versions of
TTax installed on this machine, but that's how I remember it
working from day 1.

For 2007, the info is now transferred to a new worksheet, called
"Capital Gain Speed Entry Worksheet". Imported data seems to
no longer go to this form, but are now entered directly into the
Sked D. Now there is the new worksheet "Capital Gain Transaction
Worksheet", and in fact this worksheet has lines where you can put
all that extra data from your 1099-B if you want.

My understanding (at least for mutual funds which I mainly own)
is that in the past you could list the sale on a single line with
a purchase date of "various" for multiple lot sale, but a couple
years ago IRS started requesting each lot listed separately, although
the instructions for Sked D still say the "various" entry is permitted.

scott s.
.



Posted by Oilcan on February 11, 2008, 1:42 pm
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Becomes very hard in mutual funds especially if it is moved between funds on
a non-taxable basis.

My numbers differed from the broker, but since the broker provided
information - not material to the amount of the taxes paid - I elected to go
with the brokers numbers. I still had to divide the 1099-B between
short-term and long-term (broker provided basis but not per lot), so I input
the summary. Again, my numbers in Quicken differed - only by a few hundred
dollars and there was no impact to the end result of my taxes.

Oilcan
>
>> Yes I have had the same experience. Long Term verses Short Term gains
>> from the sale of Mutual Funds all lumped together. It needs to be
>> split on Schedule D, but no way is there a 1 to 1 match. You need to
>> attach an explanation to your tax return and it MAY reduce the chances
>> of getting an IRS inquire - like Duck and I have had.
>>
>> The end result is whatever you place on your Schedule D needs to tie
>> back to 1099 B - if it is not clear - explain it and why.
>>
>> (I use Tax Cut and while I have no 1099-B, I am certain I would have
>> the same problem).
>
>
> I compared last years TTax to this years. The interview for entering
> the sale of an investment is essentially identical in both. Both ask
> for the description from Box 7, the net proceeds from Box 2, and the
> date of sale from Box 1a. There is a checkbox option for fed tax
> witheld, which I did not follow, but assume it asks for the info in
> Box 4. There's no way nor requirement that I am aware of to report
> CUSIP, Broker name, account number, etc to IRS on Sked D or any other
> Form.
>
> For 2006, the info entered in the interview is transferred to the
> "Capital Gains and Losses Smart Worksheet". This becomes the input
> to sked D. Also, any imported capital gains from Quicken are sent
> directly to this "smart worksheet". I don't have earlier versions of
> TTax installed on this machine, but that's how I remember it
> working from day 1.
>
> For 2007, the info is now transferred to a new worksheet, called
> "Capital Gain Speed Entry Worksheet". Imported data seems to
> no longer go to this form, but are now entered directly into the
> Sked D. Now there is the new worksheet "Capital Gain Transaction
> Worksheet", and in fact this worksheet has lines where you can put
> all that extra data from your 1099-B if you want.
>
> My understanding (at least for mutual funds which I mainly own)
> is that in the past you could list the sale on a single line with
> a purchase date of "various" for multiple lot sale, but a couple
> years ago IRS started requesting each lot listed separately, although
> the instructions for Sked D still say the "various" entry is permitted.
>
> scott s.
> .
>
>
>


Posted by Brian on February 13, 2008, 2:42 pm
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Oilcan wrote:
> Becomes very hard in mutual funds especially if it is moved between
> funds on a non-taxable basis.

Moving between funds generally involves the sale of one fund and the
purchase of another fund. How can you move between funds in a
non-taxable transaction?

Posted by Oilcan on February 13, 2008, 2:55 pm
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One way is if the funds automatically convert from a Class B to a Class A.
Your retain your original Basis and Acquisition Date of your Class B shares
for the Class A shares.

Oilcan
> Oilcan wrote:
>> Becomes very hard in mutual funds especially if it is moved between funds
>> on a non-taxable basis.
>
> Moving between funds generally involves the sale of one fund and the
> purchase of another fund. How can you move between funds in a non-taxable
> transaction?


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