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fidelity - div reinvest P.Schuman 09-19-2007
Posted by Andrew DeFaria on September 21, 2007, 10:28 am
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adi wrote:
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>> adi wrote:
>>> The BUY is necessary because you are truly buying more of the funds,
>>> even if you don't handle it yourself.
>> Excuse me for saying so but *so what!* The two transactions can be
>> represented as one transaction in Quicken with no ill effect.
>>> It would be the same as if you received the dividends transferred in
>>> your checking account and then sent the money to Fidelity and
>>> bought it yourself. From the IRS standpoint, Reinvesting is a Buy.
>> Again, so what. Having 2 transactions does me no good. One
>> transaction makes perfect sense here.
> I know it doesn't matter whether it's one transaction or two.
However you said that both where necessary. That is not the case. I was
pointing that out. Apparently you have a problem with that. I remain
unconcerned...
> As I had prefaced in my post, I wasn't sure where his concerns were.
> The OP mentioned the DIV & BUY transactions. He also mentioned about
> determining fund performance. He appeared to be confused (to me)
> about Dividends as regular or LT. Again I wasn't sure where he was
> confused. So I tried to address all issues. He responded that he
> understood about the multiple transactions. That's fine. But I did
> seem to help him with the ROI information and he had a way to deal
> with his MM funds. So he seemed to be satisfied with my response.
>
> What I didn't understand was your weird discourse.
It's simple. I wish for Quicken to help, not hinder me keeping track of
things. Having multiple transactions is more of a hindrance than a help.
And there are other things that financial institutions "get wrong" WRT
downloading transactions to Quicken. This makes online investment
downloads
<http://defaria.com/quikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Online%20Investing%20Download%20Problems>
much less useful. So when this subject comes up I point this out to
people. I hope they will bitch to the financial institutions and that
they will, in turn, make it better. I know it's a long shot because your
reprobates probably never take the time to complain to your financial
institution to fixed things however that's how it works.
> It was of no help to the OP.
You are running under the incorrect assumption that I'm here to help.
I'm not. Get over it.
> OK, your turn to rant...
How did I do? ;-)
--
Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
Borrow money from pessimists-they don't expect it back.

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adi wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:XSJIi.116808$ax1.20837@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net"
type="cite">Andrew DeFaria wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">&nbsp; adi wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">The BUY is necessary because you are truly
buying more of the funds, even if you don't handle it yourself.
<br>
</blockquote>
Excuse me for saying so but *so what!* The two transactions can be
represented as one transaction in Quicken with no ill effect.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">It would be the same as if you received the
dividends transferred in your&nbsp; checking account and then sent the money
to Fidelity and bought it yourself.&nbsp; From the IRS standpoint,
Reinvesting is a Buy.
<br>
</blockquote>
Again, so what. Having 2 transactions does me no good. One transaction
makes perfect sense here.
<br>
</blockquote>
I know it doesn't matter whether it's one transaction or two.</blockquote>
However you said that both where necessary. That is not the case. I was
pointing that out. Apparently you have a problem with that. I remain
unconcerned...<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:XSJIi.116808$ax1.20837@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net"
type="cite">As&nbsp;
I had prefaced in my post, I wasn't sure where his concerns were.
The OP mentioned the DIV &amp; BUY transactions.&nbsp; He also mentioned
about determining fund performance.&nbsp; He appeared to be confused
(to me) about Dividends as regular or LT.&nbsp; Again I wasn't sure
where he was confused.&nbsp; So I tried to address all issues.&nbsp; He
responded that he understood about the multiple transactions.
That's fine.&nbsp; But I did seem to help him with the ROI
information and he had a way to deal with his MM funds.
So he seemed to be satisfied with my response.
<br>
<br>
What I didn't understand was your weird discourse.</blockquote>
It's simple. I wish for Quicken to help, not hinder me keeping track of
things. Having multiple transactions is more of a hindrance than a
help. And there are other things that financial institutions "get
wrong" WRT downloading transactions to Quicken. This makes <a
href="http://defaria.com/quikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Online%20Investing%20Download%20Problems">online
investment downloads</a> much less useful. So when this subject comes
up I point this out to people. I hope they will bitch to the financial
institutions and that they will, in turn, make it better. I know it's a
long shot because your reprobates probably never take the time to
complain to your financial institution to fixed things however that's
how it works. <br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:XSJIi.116808$ax1.20837@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net"
type="cite">It
was of no help to the OP.
<br>
</blockquote>
You are running under the incorrect assumption that I'm here to help.
I'm not. Get over it.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:XSJIi.116808$ax1.20837@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net"
type="cite">OK, your turn to rant...
<br>
</blockquote>
How did I do? <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span><br>
<div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
<a href="http://defaria.com">Andrew DeFaria</a><br>
<small><font color="#999999">Borrow money from pessimists-they don't
expect it back.</font></small>
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Posted by Oilcan on September 21, 2007, 9:48 am
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I would generally agree it is a reinvested dividend. But for me I just =
go with how it is reported. In the past I have had MMF reported a both =
a fund (tied to a symbol) and cash. Sometimes I have had reinvested =
dividends and others I have a dividend and a buy. I have seen the =
dividend and buy on different days (usually one day different), but most =
commonly "reinvested" on the same day.

Since MMF for me represents small balances that are intended to be =
temporary until they are invested as something else I am not so =
concerned about the ROI.

I also believe there is a Quicken Report that will get you this =
information other then the Portfolio window.
adi wrote:=20
The BUY is necessary because you are truly buying more of the funds, =
even if you don't handle it yourself.
Excuse me for saying so but so what! The two transactions can be =
represented as one transaction in Quicken with no ill effect.

It would be the same as if you received the dividends transferred in =
your checking account and then sent the money to Fidelity and bought it =
yourself. From the IRS standpoint, Reinvesting is a Buy.=20

Again, so what. Having 2 transactions does me no good. One transaction =
makes perfect sense here.

--=20
Andrew DeFaria
A common mistake people make when trying to design something =
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete =
fools. - Douglas Adams
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Posted by Andrew DeFaria on September 20, 2007, 11:09 pm
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P.Schuman wrote:
> yeah - sounds good - but of course these DIV + BUY are the
> transactions being downloaded from Fidelity and others.... Some appear
> as dividends, some as LT cap gains, etc... It's tough.... when we
> really didn't inject any more investment capital, but yet, I guess we
> "did" when we received the dividend payout.
I wrote about this at least 7 years ago (See Online Investing Download
Problems
<http://defaria.com/quikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Online%20Investing%20Download%20Problems>).
Truth is investment companies like Fidelity don't give a fuck about you
- just what they can make off of you. Additionally there are some of the
most old, antiquated, stoggy and stubborn types of companies that
exists. I've worked for a few financially oriented firms and they pay
the least and are the most penny pinching. I keep trying to tell them,
as a person in the business and who has programmed many system
interfacing between two or more similar but not exactly the same
systems, it is the job of the programmer to understand all systems
involved and to perform the appropriate translation between the two
systems. And if I had done as shotty of a job as they have obviously
done I would either be fired or my contract would be terminated. I know.
I do this for a living and have done so for at least the last 30 years.
I'm a professional. Too bad you don't likewise hire professionals. That
said, why then would you expect them to make things easier or more
modern for you, the lowly customer of whom we rip off to make our money...?
--
Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
I've had amnesia for as long as I can remember.

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P.Schuman wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:DRxIi.27995$eY.2395@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net"
type="cite"><!---->yeah - sounds good - but of course these DIV + BUY
are the transactions being downloaded from Fidelity and others.... Some
appear as dividends, some as LT cap gains, etc... It's tough.... when
we really didn't inject any more investment capital, but yet, I guess
we "did" when we received the dividend payout.<br>
</blockquote>
I wrote about this at least 7 years ago (See <a
href="http://defaria.com/quikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Online%20Investing%20Download%20Problems">Online
Investing Download Problems</a>). Truth is investment companies like
Fidelity don't give a fuck about you - just what they can make off of
you. Additionally there are some of the most old, antiquated, stoggy
and stubborn types of companies that exists. I've worked for a few
financially oriented firms and they pay the least and are the most
penny pinching. I keep trying to tell them, as a person in the business
and who has programmed many system interfacing between two or more
similar but not exactly the same systems, it is the job of the
programmer to understand all systems involved and to perform the
appropriate translation between the two systems. And if I had done as
shotty of a job as they have obviously done I would either be fired or
my contract would be terminated. I know. I do this for a living and
have done so for at least the last 30 years. I'm a professional. Too
bad you don't likewise hire professionals. That said, why then would
you expect them to make things easier or more modern for you, the lowly
customer of whom we rip off to make our money...?<br>
<div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
<a href="http://defaria.com">Andrew DeFaria</a><br>
<small><font color="#999999">I've had amnesia for as long as I can
remember.</font></small>
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