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new spinoffs: IAR and VRGY and EQ P.Schuman 11-22-2006
Posted by P.Schuman on November 22, 2006, 9:43 am
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How do I handle these new spinoffs ?
IAR - from Verizon (holding)
VRGY - from the HP/Agilent (holding)
EQ - from Sprint (sold)

I have downloaded/received the online stock updates,
and they have been added to my Quicken,
but I've not modified their original cost as yet ?

So - what are the steps for entering their costs,
and also then modifiying the related parent stock cost entries ?

tnx -



Posted by R. C. White on November 22, 2006, 11:01 am
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Hi, P.

There have been many discussions here about spinoffs over the years. In
skeleton form, the steps are these:

1. Visit the websites for the companies involved, especially the parents
(Verizon, e.g.) and look for a page called something like Investor
Relations. These often have all the data you will need for later steps.
Often they even have sample worksheets for you.

2. Use Quicken's built-in method to record the transaction. (In Q2007,
choose "Corporate Securities Spin-Off" from the drop-down list in your
Investment Register's Enter Transactions tab; earlier versions called it
Easy Actions. You did not mention which version of Quicken you are using.)

Remember in Step 2 that Quicken has a longstanding error in terminology on
this spinoff screen. It asks for "cost" per old share and per new share.
In both places, it should be asking for Fair Market Value of the shares
immediately after the spinoff. These values can be found in several ways;
the best and easiest is from the web page mentioned in Step 1 above. The
goal of this whole transaction is to simply allocate your old basis in the
old shares over your old and new shares in the ratio of their post-spinoff
values. After the transaction is recorded, your total bases in all the
shares should be unchanged from your pre-spinoff basis in your old shares.

3. Often, there are fractional shares involved. These are typically sold
immediately after the spinoff as a part of the orchestrated transaction and
the shareholder receives cash for the fractional shares. AFTER you compute
the per-share basis of the new shares in Step 2, record sale of the
fractional new share on the date of the spinoff for the amount of cash
received; the gain or loss on the fractional share should be reported on
your income tax return. The holding period for determining long-term status
is the same for the new shares as for the old.

4. After the spinoff, each issue stands alone. If you sell your new shares
(your EQ, for example), report the sale like any other. Use the parent's
acquisition date as the date acquired; even if you sold EQ the next day,
your gain might be long-term if you had held the Sprint shares for a long
time.

Remember that I've been retired for over a decade and tax rules change
daily, so please check with your own CPA to be sure that these rules haven't
changed.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Currently running Vista x64)

> How do I handle these new spinoffs ?
> IAR - from Verizon (holding)
> VRGY - from the HP/Agilent (holding)
> EQ - from Sprint (sold)
>
> I have downloaded/received the online stock updates,
> and they have been added to my Quicken,
> but I've not modified their original cost as yet ?
>
> So - what are the steps for entering their costs,
> and also then modifiying the related parent stock cost entries ?
>
> tnx -


Posted by James A. Crittenden on November 22, 2006, 12:22 pm
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Hi RC, thanks for this. Verizon's SEC filing specifies that
they have a letter from the SEC identifying this spinoff as
a 'tax-free' transaction. Does this affect your calculation
at all? Or does it perhaps simply mean that no income tax
is due on this spinoff, in contrast to normal dividends.

-jim

R. C. White wrote:
> Hi, P.
>
> There have been many discussions here about spinoffs over the years. In
> skeleton form, the steps are these:
>
> 1. Visit the websites for the companies involved, especially the
> parents (Verizon, e.g.) and look for a page called something like
> Investor Relations. These often have all the data you will need for
> later steps. Often they even have sample worksheets for you.
>
> 2. Use Quicken's built-in method to record the transaction. (In Q2007,
> choose "Corporate Securities Spin-Off" from the drop-down list in your
> Investment Register's Enter Transactions tab; earlier versions called it
> Easy Actions. You did not mention which version of Quicken you are using.)
>
> Remember in Step 2 that Quicken has a longstanding error in terminology
> on this spinoff screen. It asks for "cost" per old share and per new
> share. In both places, it should be asking for Fair Market Value of the
> shares immediately after the spinoff. These values can be found in
> several ways; the best and easiest is from the web page mentioned in
> Step 1 above. The goal of this whole transaction is to simply allocate
> your old basis in the old shares over your old and new shares in the
> ratio of their post-spinoff values. After the transaction is recorded,
> your total bases in all the shares should be unchanged from your
> pre-spinoff basis in your old shares.
>
> 3. Often, there are fractional shares involved. These are typically
> sold immediately after the spinoff as a part of the orchestrated
> transaction and the shareholder receives cash for the fractional
> shares. AFTER you compute the per-share basis of the new shares in Step
> 2, record sale of the fractional new share on the date of the spinoff
> for the amount of cash received; the gain or loss on the fractional
> share should be reported on your income tax return. The holding period
> for determining long-term status is the same for the new shares as for
> the old.
>
> 4. After the spinoff, each issue stands alone. If you sell your new
> shares (your EQ, for example), report the sale like any other. Use the
> parent's acquisition date as the date acquired; even if you sold EQ the
> next day, your gain might be long-term if you had held the Sprint shares
> for a long time.
>
> Remember that I've been retired for over a decade and tax rules change
> daily, so please check with your own CPA to be sure that these rules
> haven't changed.
>
> RC


Posted by R. C. White on November 22, 2006, 10:17 pm
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Hi, Jim.

> Hi RC, thanks for this. Verizon's SEC filing specifies that
> they have a letter from the SEC identifying this spinoff as
> a 'tax-free' transaction. Does this affect your calculation
> at all? Or does it perhaps simply mean that no income tax
> is due on this spinoff, in contrast to normal dividends.
>
> -jim


That letter might be from the IRS, rather than the SEC. Companies typically
ask the IRS for a "private ruling" that the proposed transaction, if carried
out as outlined to the IRS, will qualify under specific sections of the
Internal Revenue Code (Sec. 355 if I remember correctly) as a tax-free
split-off. (There's a technical difference between a spinoff and a
split-off, but I don't recall what it is and it usually is referred to as a
spinoff anyhow.) This transaction does not generate a tax currently, but
the carryover of the old basis (split between the old and new shares) means
that the gain (presumably) that is not taxed now will be deferred until the
shares are sold in the future. It really is a "tax-deferred" spinoff,
rather than "tax-free".

What I described in my first message IS a tax-free spinoff. If this were a
taxable transaction, it would require much different treatment, most likely
as a dividend to the shareholders in the amount of the fair market value of
the new shares, with the new shares' bases equal to that FMV and their
holding period starting on the date of the spinoff - and with the old
shares' bases left unchanged. But we don't need to worry about all that,
thank goodness!

As I said earlier, check with your own CPA for the current rules.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(Retired. No longer licensed to practice public accounting.)
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Currently running Vista x64)

> R. C. White wrote:
>> Hi, P.
>>
>> There have been many discussions here about spinoffs over the years. In
>> skeleton form, the steps are these:
>>
>> 1. Visit the websites for the companies involved, especially the parents
>> (Verizon, e.g.) and look for a page called something like Investor
>> Relations. These often have all the data you will need for later steps.
>> Often they even have sample worksheets for you.
>>
>> 2. Use Quicken's built-in method to record the transaction. (In Q2007,
>> choose "Corporate Securities Spin-Off" from the drop-down list in your
>> Investment Register's Enter Transactions tab; earlier versions called it
>> Easy Actions. You did not mention which version of Quicken you are
>> using.)
>>
>> Remember in Step 2 that Quicken has a longstanding error in terminology
>> on this spinoff screen. It asks for "cost" per old share and per new
>> share. In both places, it should be asking for Fair Market Value of the
>> shares immediately after the spinoff. These values can be found in
>> several ways; the best and easiest is from the web page mentioned in Step
>> 1 above. The goal of this whole transaction is to simply allocate your
>> old basis in the old shares over your old and new shares in the ratio of
>> their post-spinoff values. After the transaction is recorded, your total
>> bases in all the shares should be unchanged from your pre-spinoff basis
>> in your old shares.
>>
>> 3. Often, there are fractional shares involved. These are typically
>> sold immediately after the spinoff as a part of the orchestrated
>> transaction and the shareholder receives cash for the fractional shares.
>> AFTER you compute the per-share basis of the new shares in Step 2, record
>> sale of the fractional new share on the date of the spinoff for the
>> amount of cash received; the gain or loss on the fractional share should
>> be reported on your income tax return. The holding period for
>> determining long-term status is the same for the new shares as for the
>> old.
>>
>> 4. After the spinoff, each issue stands alone. If you sell your new
>> shares (your EQ, for example), report the sale like any other. Use the
>> parent's acquisition date as the date acquired; even if you sold EQ the
>> next day, your gain might be long-term if you had held the Sprint shares
>> for a long time.
>>
>> Remember that I've been retired for over a decade and tax rules change
>> daily, so please check with your own CPA to be sure that these rules
>> haven't changed.
>>
>> RC


Posted by P.Schuman on November 22, 2006, 4:13 pm
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tnx for the detailed info.
I'm running Quicken 2004 -

I found and grabbed 2 of the 3 tax basis info letters.
The 3rd said they would post something by the end of the year.

Since I'm only usually seeing a few dozen new spinoff shares,
I usually just fudge something to track the ongoing relative performance.
But this time - I thought I would actually go thru the math.
Then I have to update the numbers in three multiple locations:
Quicken -
Brokerage house website data -
Brokerage house software app for PC -





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