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Posted by Bob Wang on September 1, 2008, 4:49 pm
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John:

I also have problems with MS Word when the network printing glitch strikes,
so it is not isolated to Quicken.
Not a big deal once I figured out that an un-install of the HP LJ 1320nw
wireless printer, and immediate re-install, fixes the problem.

Bob


Posted by John Pollard on September 1, 2008, 4:51 pm
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Bob Wang wrote:
> John:
>
> I also have problems with MS Word when the network printing
> glitch
> strikes, so it is not isolated to Quicken.
> Not a big deal once I figured out that an un-install of the HP
> LJ
> 1320nw wireless printer, and immediate re-install, fixes the
> problem.

Thanks.

--

John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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Posted by Jerry Boyle on September 1, 2008, 4:57 pm
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> Bob Wang wrote:
>> Margaret and John:
>>
>> Just to add some info about HP network printing under Vista Ultimate
>> 32-bit and 64-bit (both pre-SP1 and post-SP1)
>> I have an HP LJ 1320nw wireless and HP CLJ 2840 wired printers on my
>> network.
>>
>> The 2840 works without any glitches (except that HP Director doesn't
>> work under Vista 64-bit)
>>
>> Every few weeks I need to remove and re-install the 1320nw drivers to
>> be able to print.
>
> Is that to be able to print at all? Or just to be able to print in
> Quicken.
>
> The problem I was looking into when I asked the question of Margret was
> Quicken users reporting that they could print in Vista with every other
> application except Quicken.
>
> [I know that such statements are not proof that the printing problem is
> Quicken's - just that it might be. But I do think that if an application
> can't print using one printer driver, and a different driver is installed
> for that printer, and the application can print ... I believe that is
> close to proof that the driver was the cause of the problem.]
>
> I'm interested in concrete evidence that printer drivers are causing
> problems for Quicken under Vista, that are not "apparent" in other
> applications.

On my Dell Vista machine I just replaced an HP OfficeJet 7400xi with a
Lexmark X5495.

I had no problems printing from Quicken 2008 H&B on the OfficeJet using the
generic Vista drivers. I like the HP printers, but not the bloated and
outdated software that comes with them.

When I uninstalled the HP and installed the Lexmark printing worked
perfectly from all applications except Quicken, which was completely unable
to communicate with the Lexmark. The problem apparently wasn't in the
drivers but in the QuickenConfigwpr.dat file. When I renamed this file
wpr.old everything worked fine. Wpr.dat is one of the Quicken files that is
relocated from a system folder to the user's Documents area by Vista
Virtualization, but I have no idea whether or not that fact is relevant.

With respect to Bob's having to reinstall his HP printer drivers every few
weeks, I'm not convinced that the problem is with the drivers. I've seen a
similar problem with the drivers for my Dell speakers. I've also seen a lot
of others weird problems that make me think the Windows registry under Vista
is highly susceptible to corruption. Since parts of the registry are also
subject to Virtualization I'm getting very suspicious of this Vista hack.
However, I have no proof, nor do I have the technical expertise to
investigate further.

Jerry

P.S. Can anyone recommend a good *and safe* registry cleaner for Vista?


Posted by John Pollard on September 1, 2008, 6:00 pm
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Jerry Boyle wrote:
>> Bob Wang wrote:
>>> Margaret and John:
>>>
>>> Just to add some info about HP network printing under Vista
>>> Ultimate
>>> 32-bit and 64-bit (both pre-SP1 and post-SP1)
>>> I have an HP LJ 1320nw wireless and HP CLJ 2840 wired
>>> printers on
>>> my network.
>>>
>>> The 2840 works without any glitches (except that HP Director
>>> doesn't
>>> work under Vista 64-bit)
>>>
>>> Every few weeks I need to remove and re-install the 1320nw
>>> drivers
>>> to be able to print.
>>
>> Is that to be able to print at all? Or just to be able to
>> print in
>> Quicken.
>>
>> The problem I was looking into when I asked the question of
>> Margret
>> was Quicken users reporting that they could print in Vista
>> with
>> every other application except Quicken.
>>
>> [I know that such statements are not proof that the printing
>> problem
>> is Quicken's - just that it might be. But I do think that if
>> an
>> application can't print using one printer driver, and a
>> different
>> driver is installed for that printer, and the application can
>> print
>> ... I believe that is close to proof that the driver was the
>> cause
>> of the problem.] I'm interested in concrete evidence that
>> printer drivers are causing
>> problems for Quicken under Vista, that are not "apparent" in
>> other
>> applications.
>
> On my Dell Vista machine I just replaced an HP OfficeJet
> 7400xi with a
> Lexmark X5495.
>
> I had no problems printing from Quicken 2008 H&B on the
> OfficeJet
> using the generic Vista drivers. I like the HP printers, but
> not the
> bloated and outdated software that comes with them.
>
> When I uninstalled the HP and installed the Lexmark printing
> worked
> perfectly from all applications except Quicken, which was
> completely
> unable to communicate with the Lexmark. The problem apparently
> wasn't
> in the drivers but in the QuickenConfigwpr.dat file. When I
> renamed
> this file wpr.old everything worked fine. Wpr.dat is one of
> the
> Quicken files that is relocated from a system folder to the
> user's
> Documents area by Vista Virtualization, but I have no idea
> whether or
> not that fact is relevant.

Interesting. I knew that wpr.dat could get "corrupted" (which
could just be generic speak for inaccurate). I can't recall if
any of the others having Quicken Vista printing problems ever
mentioned trying to rename wpr.dat.

Thanks for the feedback.

> With respect to Bob's having to reinstall his HP printer
> drivers
> every few weeks, I'm not convinced that the problem is with
> the
> drivers. I've seen a similar problem with the drivers for my
> Dell
> speakers. I've also seen a lot of others weird problems that
> make me
> think the Windows registry under Vista is highly susceptible
> to
> corruption. Since parts of the registry are also subject to
> Virtualization I'm getting very suspicious of this Vista hack.
> However, I have no proof, nor do I have the technical
> expertise to
> investigate further.

I think most of the other folks with Quicken printing problems,
noticed them immediately upon installing and running Quicken on
their new Vista machines, so I'm guessing a delayed corruption
won't explain all their problems. But if you're suspicions are
right, that "corruption" might be the cause of some of their
problems.

I'm sure there will continue to be fallout with Vista as more
and more users run under it. One day, I'll probably be one of
those users, so I hope the early adopters have gotten most of
the bugs found/fixed by then. :)

Thanks.

--

John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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Posted by Jerry Boyle on September 1, 2008, 7:14 pm
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> Jerry Boyle wrote:
>>> Bob Wang wrote:
>>>> Margaret and John:
>>>>
>>>> Just to add some info about HP network printing under Vista Ultimate
>>>> 32-bit and 64-bit (both pre-SP1 and post-SP1)
>>>> I have an HP LJ 1320nw wireless and HP CLJ 2840 wired printers on
>>>> my network.
>>>>
>>>> The 2840 works without any glitches (except that HP Director doesn't
>>>> work under Vista 64-bit)
>>>>
>>>> Every few weeks I need to remove and re-install the 1320nw drivers
>>>> to be able to print.
>>>
>>> Is that to be able to print at all? Or just to be able to print in
>>> Quicken.
>>>
>>> The problem I was looking into when I asked the question of Margret
>>> was Quicken users reporting that they could print in Vista with
>>> every other application except Quicken.
>>>
>>> [I know that such statements are not proof that the printing problem
>>> is Quicken's - just that it might be. But I do think that if an
>>> application can't print using one printer driver, and a different
>>> driver is installed for that printer, and the application can print
>>> ... I believe that is close to proof that the driver was the cause
>>> of the problem.] I'm interested in concrete evidence that printer
>>> drivers are causing
>>> problems for Quicken under Vista, that are not "apparent" in other
>>> applications.
>>
>> On my Dell Vista machine I just replaced an HP OfficeJet 7400xi with a
>> Lexmark X5495.
>>
>> I had no problems printing from Quicken 2008 H&B on the OfficeJet
>> using the generic Vista drivers. I like the HP printers, but not the
>> bloated and outdated software that comes with them.
>>
>> When I uninstalled the HP and installed the Lexmark printing worked
>> perfectly from all applications except Quicken, which was completely
>> unable to communicate with the Lexmark. The problem apparently wasn't
>> in the drivers but in the QuickenConfigwpr.dat file. When I renamed
>> this file wpr.old everything worked fine. Wpr.dat is one of the
>> Quicken files that is relocated from a system folder to the user's
>> Documents area by Vista Virtualization, but I have no idea whether or
>> not that fact is relevant.
>
> Interesting. I knew that wpr.dat could get "corrupted" (which could just
> be generic speak for inaccurate). I can't recall if any of the others
> having Quicken Vista printing problems ever mentioned trying to rename
> wpr.dat.

Vista or no Vista, wpr.dat is a good file to know about for people who are
having problems printing from Quicken but not from any other applications.
Printer drivers are not application-specific but wpr.dat is used only by
Quicken (and perhaps other Intuit products). Duh!

My problem may have been wpr.dat corruption or by more general corruption
that affected only the way Quicken interfaces with a printer using
information from wpr.dat. It may even be a Quicken program bug that failed
to adjust wpr.dat for the fact that I switched from a network printer (the
HP) to a USB printer (the Lexmark). Perhaps the problem is deeper in Vista
when you switch between network and USB printers or have both types present
on the same system.

Jerry


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