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replacing cash fund in account Jeff 06-01-2007
Posted by Jeff on June 1, 2007, 10:17 pm
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In my broker investment accounts they have a sweep fund into which they
sweep loose cash into. It is sort of a money fund .

Well they just changed the money fund they use to a different fund. How
do I deal with this in Quicken Deluxe 2006? Do I change the name of the
money fund? Or do I transfer the assets from the old fund into the new
fund - and if so, how exactly do I do that?

Thanks.



Posted by Doug on June 2, 2007, 7:28 pm
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Jeff wrote:
> In my investment accounts they have a sweep fund into which they
> sweep loose cash into. It is sort of a money fund. they just changed the
fund they use to a different fund. How do I deal with this in Quicken
Deluxe 2006?


Ignore it. A money market fund is, from the Quicken perspective, just
an interest bearing savings account. The "share value" of money market
fund shares is always $1.00 Who cares what the name is?

Doug

Posted by Jeff on June 2, 2007, 8:54 pm
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Doug wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> In my investment accounts they have a sweep fund into which they
>> sweep loose cash into. It is sort of a money fund. they just
>> changed the
> fund they use to a different fund. How do I deal with this in
> Quicken Deluxe 2006?
>
>
> Ignore it. A money market fund is, from the Quicken perspective, just
> an interest bearing savings account. The "share value" of money
> market fund shares is always $1.00 Who cares what the name is?
>
> Doug

Well I need to do something about it because when I download my monthly
transactions, when a downloaded transaction takes money out of the new
money market fund to buy some security, Quicken asks me to accept it as
a "short" sale since all the actual cash resides in the other money
market's name and there are not sufficient funds to cover the money fund
"sale" .

So my options appear to be to :
a) just rename the old money fund security name (but that would make my
Quicken records no longer match the broker's paper records) or
b) create a transaction "selling" all the old money fund securities and
then use that money to purchase securities i the name of the new fund
security. Since both are worth $1 each, I think that might be the more
correct way to deal with this from the accounting point of view.

But I am no accountant which is why I was asking here from the Quicken
experts. Maybe Quicken has a more elegant way to deal with this.

Jeff



Posted by John Pollard on June 2, 2007, 9:28 pm
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Jeff wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>> In my investment accounts they have a sweep fund into which
>>> they
>>> sweep loose cash into. It is sort of a money fund. they
>>> just
>>> changed the
>> fund they use to a different fund. How do I deal with this
>> in
>> Quicken Deluxe 2006?
>>
>>
>> Ignore it. A money market fund is, from the Quicken
>> perspective,
>> just an interest bearing savings account. The "share value"
>> of money
>> market fund shares is always $1.00 Who cares what the name
>> is?
>>
>> Doug
>
> Well I need to do something about it because when I download
> my
> monthly transactions, when a downloaded transaction takes
> money out
> of the new money market fund to buy some security, Quicken
> asks me to
> accept it as a "short" sale since all the actual cash resides
> in the
> other money market's name and there are not sufficient funds
> to cover
> the money fund "sale" .
>
> So my options appear to be to :
> a) just rename the old money fund security name (but that
> would make
> my Quicken records no longer match the broker's paper records)
> or
> b) create a transaction "selling" all the old money fund
> securities
> and then use that money to purchase securities i the name of
> the new
> fund security. Since both are worth $1 each, I think that
> might be
> the more correct way to deal with this from the accounting
> point of
> view.
> But I am no accountant which is why I was asking here from the
> Quicken
> experts. Maybe Quicken has a more elegant way to deal with
> this.

As far as I can tell; you have two choices, which depend on what
you care about tracking your past involvement with this
security.

You can, as you originally suggested, just change the name of
the security. Quicken doesn't care, the IRS doesn't care: only
you can care: it's a mm fund, there are no profit or tax issues
involved.

Or, you can sell all the shares in the original mm fund and use
the resulting "cash" to purchase the same number of shares in
the new mm fund. Since there can be no capital gains involved,
this won't cause a tax problem. And it will allow you to keep
track of the two mm funds you owned, for the periods you owned
them ... including the ability to track their (potentially)
different "yields".

I don't think that the different treatments are significant; but
the ultimate answer is up to you.

--
John Pollard
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Posted by Jeff on June 3, 2007, 6:59 am
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> Jeff wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>> In my investment accounts they have a sweep fund into which
>>>> they
>>>> sweep loose cash into. It is sort of a money fund. they
>>>> just
>>>> changed the
>>> fund they use to a different fund. How do I deal with this
>>> in
>>> Quicken Deluxe 2006?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ignore it. A money market fund is, from the Quicken
>>> perspective,
>>> just an interest bearing savings account. The "share value"
>>> of money
>>> market fund shares is always $1.00 Who cares what the name
>>> is?
>>>
>>> Doug
>>
>> Well I need to do something about it because when I download
>> my
>> monthly transactions, when a downloaded transaction takes
>> money out
>> of the new money market fund to buy some security, Quicken
>> asks me to
>> accept it as a "short" sale since all the actual cash resides
>> in the
>> other money market's name and there are not sufficient funds
>> to cover
>> the money fund "sale" .
>>
>> So my options appear to be to :
>> a) just rename the old money fund security name (but that
>> would make
>> my Quicken records no longer match the broker's paper records)
>> or
>> b) create a transaction "selling" all the old money fund
>> securities
>> and then use that money to purchase securities i the name of
>> the new
>> fund security. Since both are worth $1 each, I think that
>> might be
>> the more correct way to deal with this from the accounting
>> point of
>> view.
>> But I am no accountant which is why I was asking here from the
>> Quicken
>> experts. Maybe Quicken has a more elegant way to deal with
>> this.
>
> As far as I can tell; you have two choices, which depend on what
> you care about tracking your past involvement with this
> security.
>
> You can, as you originally suggested, just change the name of
> the security. Quicken doesn't care, the IRS doesn't care: only
> you can care: it's a mm fund, there are no profit or tax issues
> involved.
>
> Or, you can sell all the shares in the original mm fund and use
> the resulting "cash" to purchase the same number of shares in
> the new mm fund. Since there can be no capital gains involved,
> this won't cause a tax problem. And it will allow you to keep
> track of the two mm funds you owned, for the periods you owned
> them ... including the ability to track their (potentially)
> different "yields".
>
> I don't think that the different treatments are significant; but
> the ultimate answer is up to you.
>
> --
> John Pollard

Thank you John, that's what I thought. I appreciate the help.

Jeff



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